rear lockers?

Parnelli_001 · July 15th, 2003, 10:45 pm

anyone have any detriots kickin around for an h233b i think it is? lol probably not, worth a shot though. how strong are these rear axles to weld? would welding the front break a whole bunch of things around corners and such? can the cv shafts handle a welded up front?

jnf · July 16th, 2003, 08:00 pm

I thought you where selling your truck?

Bill · July 16th, 2003, 10:22 pm

I hear you can put a couple extra clutch plates in a pathfinder limited slip and it works like a locker. It's supposed to be fairly strong too. Just something I heard.

I talked with a guy who welded a Front diff and he said he couldn't stear the thing, he had to wheel with one hub unlocked and only lock it when needed.

I'm thinking of trying that rear diff setup.

Parnelli_001 · July 18th, 2003, 02:02 am

really? no steer on the front... well that comes with welding it i guess, i have friends even with limited slips (detroit electrac) in their d44s and they complain about steering, then i know of people with fully welded fronts that cant live without em. for that clutch plate rear end locker idea, i am gettin a limited slip rear carrier sent out soon, has anyone tried this idea? its worth a shot.

Parnelli_001 · July 18th, 2003, 02:05 am

oh and jnf, i was selling it for a DD or for more money to sink into the jeep, but she is being real snotty to me now in tranny issues so i decided to keep the more RELIABLE ride and try some mods out

Dean Neumann · July 18th, 2003, 09:43 am

I've taken apart my fronts and the CV joints are pretty big and beefy. I don't know exactly how strong they are but I wheel with both diffs locked and chains on all 4 tires have never broken anything (except soft stuff like brake lines). I think the main factor will be how big your tires are. If you are running 35" or bigger, you might break something. There are tons of guys running 33's on locked Pathy/Hardbody front ends with no problems.

Parnelli_001 · July 18th, 2003, 11:49 pm

dean how does your front locker work with your steering offroad? as you probably i have warn prems. on the front to unlock for highway but offroad i never considered locking the front yet. what are you running, all i can find for the front locker is ARB... too rich for my blood. i would never find a use around here to run any tires bigger then 33s anyway.

Dean Neumann · July 19th, 2003, 01:28 am

locker off = steering on.
locker on = steering off.

Steering feels really stiff with a front locker engaged. The truck wants to go straight ahead.
That's why I'm sold on selectable lockers...
First you point the truck where you want to go, then you lock the front. If you have to make a tight turn, then flip the switch to disengage the locker, make your turn, and flip it back on.

I'm running 32x11.5 MT/R's.

Parnelli_001 · July 19th, 2003, 08:23 pm

so your running arb in the front then? how much was install and such?

Dean Neumann · July 20th, 2003, 09:57 am

check for a private mail on that ...

Parnelli_001 · July 20th, 2003, 01:10 pm

'nother point, when i get a rear limited can i put in an extra disc to "turn" it into a locker? where would i pick up an extra disc from? for the front i think the only choice would be arb am i right? i know welding isnt the best way for the rear... if i did would it handle the 33s without throwing away too many axle shafts/carriers? would it be welded like a "normal" carrier off something like a dana 44, 60, etc? i never stripped my carrier out yet on the pathy. excuse the newbie questions as to that effect.

Dean Neumann · July 20th, 2003, 11:17 pm

I've heard of putting extra discs into a limited slip, but I don't know where to get them or how to do it.

Your H233B rear diff and axles are slightly bigger and stronger than a Dana 44, so I don't think you'll break anything in the drivetrain by welding the spider gears. You will wear the tread on your tires much more quickly though, because every corner you take on the street will cause your rear tires to chirp and skid.

Parnelli_001 · July 21st, 2003, 01:12 am

gotta love it, when i drive the jeep around town everyone thinks i just have sooo much juice under the hood that i dont need throttle to squeal the tires!

little do they know i am takin slight corners. new idea, if i chose welded rear over locker (until fulltime job kicks some money at me) and ARB front, 29, yes 29" tires (ah ha,) these are full agricultural tires, tractor tread and ford coils rear with slight torsion crank front would this do me most trails? i really dont know how agri. tires work in rocks... worth a try. they bite hard though so this is why i ask about the h233b's overall strength.

Dean Neumann · July 21st, 2003, 08:29 am

I didn't know that agricultural tires were approved for highway use. Even if they are I can't imagine driving around town or on the highway on tractor treads, especially when the roads get wet.
I don't know anything about the trails in Osoyoos, but on the coast I don't think 29" tires with a slight (1-2") torsion lift will allow you to do "most" trails. I think you'd be better off with 31" or 32" Goodyear MT/R's, a limited slip or selectable locker in the rear and later when finances allow, a selectable locker up front.

Parnelli_001 · July 21st, 2003, 01:00 pm

lol, no the agri tires would be a 3rd set for me, i would run my at/s for the highway, or my mudders but definately not the agris. wouldnt mind a set of mt/rs but if i want a locker then those arent in the budget. plus i have a set of 33s kickin around from the jeep that if i can fit i wouldnt mind on the pathfinder. has anyone tried a detroit in the rear of a pathy? one i priced out i think ran somewheres around $600 usd, might have been canadian.

July 15th, 2003, 10:45 pm	#1
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	rear lockers? anyone have any detriots kickin around for an h233b i think it is? lol probably not, worth a shot though. how strong are these rear axles to weld? would welding the front break a whole bunch of things around corners and such? can the cv shafts handle a welded up front? __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 18th, 2003, 02:02 am	#4
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	really? no steer on the front... well that comes with welding it i guess, i have friends even with limited slips (detroit electrac) in their d44s and they complain about steering, then i know of people with fully welded fronts that cant live without em. for that clutch plate rear end locker idea, i am gettin a limited slip rear carrier sent out soon, has anyone tried this idea? its worth a shot. __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 18th, 2003, 02:05 am	#5
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	oh and jnf, i was selling it for a DD or for more money to sink into the jeep, but she is being real snotty to me now in tranny issues so i decided to keep the more RELIABLE ride and try some mods out __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 18th, 2003, 09:43 am	#6
Dean Neumann Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 109	I've taken apart my fronts and the CV joints are pretty big and beefy. I don't know exactly how strong they are but I wheel with both diffs locked and chains on all 4 tires have never broken anything (except soft stuff like brake lines). I think the main factor will be how big your tires are. If you are running 35" or bigger, you might break something. There are tons of guys running 33's on locked Pathy/Hardbody front ends with no problems. __________________ locked Pathfinder on 32's.

July 18th, 2003, 11:49 pm	#7
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	dean how does your front locker work with your steering offroad? as you probably i have warn prems. on the front to unlock for highway but offroad i never considered locking the front yet. what are you running, all i can find for the front locker is ARB... too rich for my blood. i would never find a use around here to run any tires bigger then 33s anyway. __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 16th, 2003, 08:00 pm	#2
jnf Registered User Join Date: Jul 2002 Location: Port Coquitlam Posts: 225	I thought you where selling your truck?

July 16th, 2003, 10:22 pm	#3
Bill Registered User Join Date: Jun 2003 Location: Abbotsford Posts: 865	I hear you can put a couple extra clutch plates in a pathfinder limited slip and it works like a locker. It's supposed to be fairly strong too. Just something I heard. I talked with a guy who welded a Front diff and he said he couldn't stear the thing, he had to wheel with one hub unlocked and only lock it when needed. I'm thinking of trying that rear diff setup.

July 19th, 2003, 01:28 am	#8
Dean Neumann Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 109	locker off = steering on. locker on = steering off. Steering feels really stiff with a front locker engaged. The truck wants to go straight ahead. That's why I'm sold on selectable lockers... First you point the truck where you want to go, then you lock the front. If you have to make a tight turn, then flip the switch to disengage the locker, make your turn, and flip it back on. I'm running 32x11.5 MT/R's. __________________ locked Pathfinder on 32's.

July 19th, 2003, 08:23 pm	#9
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	so your running arb in the front then? how much was install and such? __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 20th, 2003, 09:57 am	#10
Dean Neumann Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 109	check for a private mail on that ... __________________ locked Pathfinder on 32's.

July 20th, 2003, 01:10 pm	#11
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	'nother point, when i get a rear limited can i put in an extra disc to "turn" it into a locker? where would i pick up an extra disc from? for the front i think the only choice would be arb am i right? i know welding isnt the best way for the rear... if i did would it handle the 33s without throwing away too many axle shafts/carriers? would it be welded like a "normal" carrier off something like a dana 44, 60, etc? i never stripped my carrier out yet on the pathy. excuse the newbie questions as to that effect. __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 20th, 2003, 11:17 pm	#12
Dean Neumann Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 109	I've heard of putting extra discs into a limited slip, but I don't know where to get them or how to do it. Your H233B rear diff and axles are slightly bigger and stronger than a Dana 44, so I don't think you'll break anything in the drivetrain by welding the spider gears. You will wear the tread on your tires much more quickly though, because every corner you take on the street will cause your rear tires to chirp and skid. __________________ locked Pathfinder on 32's.

July 21st, 2003, 01:12 am	#13
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	gotta love it, when i drive the jeep around town everyone thinks i just have sooo much juice under the hood that i dont need throttle to squeal the tires! little do they know i am takin slight corners. new idea, if i chose welded rear over locker (until fulltime job kicks some money at me) and ARB front, 29, yes 29" tires (ah ha,) these are full agricultural tires, tractor tread and ford coils rear with slight torsion crank front would this do me most trails? i really dont know how agri. tires work in rocks... worth a try. they bite hard though so this is why i ask about the h233b's overall strength. __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

July 21st, 2003, 08:29 am	#14
Dean Neumann Registered User Join Date: Sep 2000 Location: Portland, Oregon Posts: 109	I didn't know that agricultural tires were approved for highway use. Even if they are I can't imagine driving around town or on the highway on tractor treads, especially when the roads get wet. I don't know anything about the trails in Osoyoos, but on the coast I don't think 29" tires with a slight (1-2") torsion lift will allow you to do "most" trails. I think you'd be better off with 31" or 32" Goodyear MT/R's, a limited slip or selectable locker in the rear and later when finances allow, a selectable locker up front. __________________ locked Pathfinder on 32's.

July 21st, 2003, 01:00 pm	#15
Parnelli_001 Registered User Join Date: Dec 2001 Location: Kamloops, BC Posts: 1,115	lol, no the agri tires would be a 3rd set for me, i would run my at/s for the highway, or my mudders but definately not the agris. wouldnt mind a set of mt/rs but if i want a locker then those arent in the budget. plus i have a set of 33s kickin around from the jeep that if i can fit i wouldnt mind on the pathfinder. has anyone tried a detroit in the rear of a pathy? one i priced out i think ran somewheres around $600 usd, might have been canadian. __________________ Back down to a nissan frontier, rear locker, too stock for any fun but is fun to dent.

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