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    District of Mission survey for West Stave

    Hi Gang,

    I searched but didn't see a recent post about the District of Mission survey regarding the "Mission Interpretive Forest", which is basically the West Stave Lake area.

    Quote Originally Posted by District of Mission
    Mission Interpretive Forest

    Mission has exciting plans for new recreation opportunities for its residents and visitors – to be able to explore the beautiful mountains, forests and lakes on the west side of Stave Lake! We are in the planning phases of developing a comprehensive recreation plan so that we can provide safe, family friendly and affordable outdoor experiences, rustic camping opportunities, forest and cultural interpretation, and enable multi-user activities to occur within the Municipal Forest.

    This project is a partnership with First Nations communities, Ministry of Forests, Lands and Natural Resource Operations, North Fraser Investment Pilot Project, Fraser Valley Regional District, Experience the Fraser, Mission Tourism Committee, and various recreation user groups.

    This MAP will show you an overview satelitte image map of potential recreation opportunities and areas currently used.

    We would value your input in describing how you currently use the area or would like to use the area as plans move forward. Please provide your comments in this survey by clicking on this link.

    *This survey will be open until April 15, 2012.*

    Background: In 2011, the Province of BC granted “Interpretive Forest” status, within the Municipal Forest (Tree Farm Licence 26) to assist in the planning and development of enhanced recreation opportunities, which will assist in protecting our forests, water and environment from damage by irresponsible use of the landbase.
    http://www.mission.ca/municipal-hall...retive-forest/


    Please get on this! You have until April 15 to indicate your usage of this area... I guarantee the leaf-lickers have all voted for non-motorized use and have checked off the "confict with motorized recreation" boxes. I encourage everyone to check the appropriate boxes for four-wheeling use (and if you could also check the box for "ATV use" I'd appreciate it!). If the District doesn't see enough "motorized" participants, I worry that we could get left out. A quick read of the survey shows that they are considering all sorts of "improvements" and "amenities" that we really don't need in that area, as it will definitely increase the amount of 2wd traffic. My comment was "None of the above - leave it as is."

    Here's the direct link to the survey:
    http://www.surveymonkey.com/s/mif_usersurvey

    Greg

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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    Survey Completed, stood up for the 4x4 owners, fishers/hunters and target shooters.

    We have very little places we can go to have fun that aren't hours away.

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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    Thanks for getting the word out for this very important area and proposal.!
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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    Done. 4wheelin for life.

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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    poll closes in 9 days, keep voting

    tell the district of mission you want a 4x4 trail system built up there and a safe parking area for trailers and trucks/campers

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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    Done. Definitely sounds like they're trolling to push us out of there pretty hardcore. LR
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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    Quote Originally Posted by Lone Ranger View Post
    Done. Definitely sounds like they're trolling to push us out of there pretty hardcore. LR

    push us out, no.

    the city of mission is well aware of what goes on at stave lake ( the illegal stuff ), they also know about the amount of people go up there to use dirt bikes, qauds, and 4x4 / buggys, etc...

    back in 2009 this project came to light and the city of mission along with other associations like site and trail BC ( front counter BC ) counted the amount of users who used the area and started thinking about how a profit could be turned and also to increase safety for the area of the users and that of the impending Tim Hortons Kids camp to the north of stave that started this whole project.

    Kim ( President of the 4wdabc ) and the rest of the 4WDABC are working with a wide range of people to gain input and suggestions to make the area enjoyable for all wheelers, from buggy owners to guys with toyotas/jeeps or whatever.



    http://www.mission.ca/wp-content/upl...May-5-2009.pdf

    here are the quick points for the lazy:

    key notes:

    RECOMMENDATIONS
    The following actions are recommended in order to control access, reduce rowdyism, enhance
    wholesome forest recreation opportunities and assist in the diversification of Mission’s economy:

    1. Create Comprehensive Management Plan and Business Plans.
    2. Secure funding through a range of government, non-profit and for-profit organizations.
    3. Designate the west side of TFL 26 as a Recreation Site.
    4. Enter in to a Partnership Agreement with the MoTCA.
    5. Install a Recreation Gatehouse at the south end of Florence Road.
    6. Develop campgrounds and a network of trails.
    7. Enter in to a Partnership Agreement with BC Hydro for the operation of the Stave Lake
    boat launch.


    Active User Groups
    Stave River Salmonid Enhancement Society
    Four Wheel Drive Association of BC (www.4wdabc.ca)
    Fraser Valley Mountain Bike Association (www.fvmba.com)
    Back Country Horsemen of BC (www.bchorsemen.org)
    Mission Rod & Gun Club (www.missionrodandgun.com)
    Local Snowmobile Club
    Haney Horsemen

    Interested User Groups
    Rock crawling (www.crawlinbc.com)
    Dual Sport BC

    There are many conflicts between different user groups that presently use the TFL. As the first
    un-gated access to Crown Land east of Vancouver, the area is extremely popular with four
    wheelers and many users feel a certain degree of ownership - that it is their “own backyard.”


    The provision of a safe place for parking is not only of interest to users, but also to
    ICBC who pays insurance claims that can be directly attributed to illegal activity in the TFL.


    One of the considerations in assessing the potential market is how users would feel about paying
    a fee to enter and/ or camp in the TFL. In the 2008 TFL User Survey, 73% of respondents said
    that they would consider paying user fees to enjoy their recreational activities in an improved,
    maintained and safe recreation area. The majority of survey respondents felt that a user fee was
    justified as long as the users could see the benefits in a safe
    and well maintained area.




    Three campgrounds are proposed: one at Devil’s Lake (vehicle), one at Sayres Lake
    (vehicle) and one at Morgan Lake (hike-in). Sayres Lake would be the easiest lake at
    which to create campgrounds because it is already part of an existing Recreation Site.
    Additional potential campsites could be in proximity to the mud flat area at Rocky Point
    (possibly in conjunction with a kayak rental), a group campsite at the south end of Sayres
    Lake and camping at Rockwell Delta, both on the bluff and near the lake. There is also
    potential in time for RV camping along Stave Lake.


    Additional recreational activities that are identified on the Recreation Zoning Plan include
    fishing, hiking trail destinations, locations to drive off-road vehicles, and locations for
    winter activities.

    Proposed revenue includes Recreation Gatehouse fees and
    Campground fees. Grants include government-sponsored programs and grants from ICBC, nonprofit
    organizations and grants in-kind from some of the user groups

    The Gatehouse will require staffing to monitor traffic, collect fees and inform the public of
    recreational activity opportunities and the regulations in place to manage the area. The
    gate would be manned by 1 staff 24 hours a day/ 7 days a week, and 1 additional staff
    during busy summer months (1/3 of the year).


    All vehicles would pay: $10/ day starting in Year 2. This would increase to $12/ day at
    Year 5, with another rise at Year 10. Passes would be offered, allowing discounted day
    use fees.

    Additional Gatehouse funding is possible from volunteer contributions and assistance
    from organized user groups including the Stave Salmon Enhancement Society, 4x4 club,
    ATV club, snowmobile club, Fraser Valley Mountain Bike Association and others. At the
    Open House these user groups were eager to assist. The groups could assist in raising
    funds, installation of infrastructure, monitoring the site and clean up of areas when
    required.

    Monitor Recreational Activities
    Monitor the TFL year-round, with additional monitoring during summer months. Security
    of the TFL will be an essential component of services provided

    Develop additional recreational opportunities
    Develop trails for mountain biking, equestrian and hiking. Create a mountain bike skills
    park. ( 4x4 trails as well )


    Develop a signage program
    A coordinated signage program should be developed. It should include zoning of
    recreation types (e.g. multi-use vs. non-motorized zones) and clear wayfinding signage –
    locations of day use areas, campgrounds, trails etc. The MoTCA has signage standards
    that should be used in conjunction with the District’s standards

    Council member / Board member – COMMENTS

    - Rod & Gun Club very supportive. They suggest firearms ban altogether from this area.
    Don’t want hunting ban. Specify where we zone.

    -ATV’s – not a lot of places for them to go (lots of sales in this industry) Motorized opportunities – 25,000 quads in lower mainland with nowhere to go. Safety,
    day trips – best location.
    􀂾 non-motorized users – hikers, horsemen, trail runners.

    -Parking – people want a safe place to park their vehicles

    -ORV (Outdoor Recreation Vehicle) areas in Bear Creek, Kelowna – we need ORV area
    close by.

    Could enter partnership agreement with 4 wheel drive association. Tread lightly
    program, clean up.

    -Establishments – trails within forestry

    -Synergy with user groups – 4x4, ATV etc. (they don’t want bad apples either)

    -ATV problems – would be nice to work with organized club.

    -Gatehouse- will reduce 90% of vandalism.
    Last edited by homeboy; April 6th, 2012 at 08:48 pm.

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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    got er done just prayin for us wheeler's atv'ers hunter's fisherman and the general outdoors man
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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    And done too
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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    pole/questionnaire period got extended open till may 15th now

    http://www.mission.ca/municipal-hall...retive-forest/

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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    After being up Stave today I am sure the place will eventually be closed to all of us. At the gravel pit just up from the bogs there was probably 2000 (no exaggeration) fresh, empty shotgun shells. Along with a whole slew of shot to hell TVs and kids furniture. Not to mention the 20 gallons of used motor oil leaking out of buckets. With no room in my vehicle I cleaned up what I could, but left feeling no hope for the area.

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    i get what you mean i pulled a whole bunch of garbage out of jones lake today in my truck from the areas i could get at without to much snow its horrible people need to learn to (pack out what you pack in) and canadian tire has a free oil drop off for theclowns that would bring that up there to ruin our enviroment even worse than it is
    and a great thanks for doin your part in helpin keep our enviroment clean
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    ultimately the only feasible cure is to close areas off completely. this is what comes along with population growth and government controls causing a general lack of responsibility in the general public. any other solution costs government money which causes a public backlash because the majority of people couldn't care less if they had access to these areas.

    this is why you do what you can to take part in organized clean ups and stay quiet about what is happening so the people with the ability to close these areas off hear as little as possible about the mess.

    WHATEVER YOU DO, DON'T CONTACT THE MEDIA! they love these kinds of stories and do nothing to help the situation. they will also be right there to report on the heroes that put up barriers to these areas. if you want to go somewhere clean and organized, pick a local park in your neighbourhood to complain about.
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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    i just found this and filled it out. will get more people to do the same
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    Re: District of Mission survey for West Stave

    poll got extended again till the 31st

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