Please Vote On Changes to Buy/Sell Forums

[lars]

Due to the frequent bickering and flaming that occurs in the Buy/Sell forums, some users have suggested changing them so that people who create the thread are the only ones who can post to them.

For instance, if someone posts a FOR SALE ad, the only way you can request more information is to contact the email address left by the poster. Obviously, if the poster forgets to include his email address, he will get absolutely no replies (remember, only Silverback board supporters have Private Message access). To avoid the necessity of having to type in an email address, the poster could alter his user profile to allow his email address to be made public.

The upside to this change is that people from the peanut gallery can't add their often-times annoying commentary into the thread. In other words, the Buy/Sell forums would function exactly like classified ads in the newspaper or on Buy and Sell.

I'd like to get everyone's opinion on whether or not we should implement this change, so please fill-out the poll.

...lars

[dawb]

I dont think enough people are going to realize that there is a poll up :D

[sdillen]

I ignore the flames/bickering/hijacked threads. It'd be nice if the "pics to me too" responses were scaled back and handled by email, but I'm not in favor of restricting this at the cost of preventing useful discussions that can take place in the threads.

[jeeponrock]

I would rather see more effort put in by the mods to police the bickering done. Maybe add another mod or two to keep the workload managable?

[brian468]

I voted yes cause for some reason its easier to haggle with someone on a board then in private, probably because you can see if there isn`t alot of interest in an item or justs its price on the board and its a nice bargaining chip.


I say just ban the idiots, this is already a great site and getting rid of a few morons wouldn`t hurt any.

[sea2skydad]

I'm a newb to this board, so far I've sold 3 items and bought 2. No bickering, no problems, it's working great for me.

[jblazes]

I think something should be done too , when ever I visit this site , i always click the " view new posts" thingy , and 90% of the new posts are from the Buy&Sell , it seems that this board is used more for Buy&sell than it is for Off road in BC discussions .
By doing what you mentioned in the poll , it will make the board less cluttered with "can I have pics" posts .

[Brent]

I agree with jeeponrock. You can answer a question that a few people are woundering about by posting a response to the thread instead of sending 10 e-mails. Some time people forget some small detail that the is very important.

[Brent]

Originally posted by sdillen
I ignore the flames/bickering/hijacked threads. It'd be nice if the "pics to me too" responses were scaled back and handled by email, but I'm not in favor of restricting this at the cost of preventing useful discussions that can take place in the threads.

If people starting using free hosting sites for there pics this would not happen.

[dawb]

Originally posted by Brent
I agree with jeeponrock. You can answer a question that a few people are woundering about by posting a response to the thread instead of sending 10 e-mails. Some time people forget some small detail that the is very important.

however, once the seller is notified of a question, its not all that hard to come back and edit.

It would also be nice if people would edit the first post as *SOLD* when it is picked up. nothin worse than screening through pages to find out its sold.....


better yet, delete the thread

[DMMcG]

Originally posted by jblazes
I think something should be done too , when ever I visit this site , i always click the " view new posts" thingy , and 90% of the new posts are from the Buy&Sell , it seems that this board is used more for Buy&sell than it is for Off road in BC discussions .
By doing what you mentioned in the poll , it will make the board less cluttered with "can I have pics" posts .

If you 'log off', then the Buy/Sell sub-sections aren't available to you, and will be excluded from your 'search recent posts'.

....so log off and then click on 'view new posts'.

[westcoaster]

If there is an item that is misrepresented there can be a public rebuttle.

example: for sale, suzuki samurai sj 410 axels, will work in your '88 samurai $5


To the uneducated this would be a pretty good deal. It wouldn't take long for someone to come on here and explain it will not work for that model year and these are the reasons why.

Or the other classic, a buyer asks "hey, will those work in my '88" and the seller responds "sure, bolt right up" once again, it won't take long for a correction to be made.

That's one of the benefits of buying junk off here.

[Greg82]

I like to get the input. Even though sometimes it is useless.

If you put this new system in place all you would see is bunch of adds with a bunch of


ttt




ttt



ttt


ttt


That would be worse to looks at.

[jblazes]

Originally posted by DMMcG


If you 'log off', then the Buy/Sell sub-sections aren't available to you, and will be excluded from your 'search recent posts'.

....so log off and then click on 'view new posts'.

ok thanks , didn't know that


But wouldn't it be nice to have this forum more dedicated to offroad driving , than just a Buy&Sell ?

[Greg82]

Originally posted by jblazes


ok thanks , didn't know that


But wouldn't it be nice to have this forum more dedicated to offroad driving , than just a Buy&Sell ?


Wake up man they already spilt the buy sell section into 4x4 and non 4x4 related

[talon_92]

its the people that join just to post stuff in the for sale ads, they arn't on the site for the 4x4 related stuff:angry

[Greg82]

Originally posted by talon_92
its the people that join just to post stuff in the for sale ads, they arn't on the site for the 4x4 related stuff:angry


Make it so that you can not sell anything unless you have 100 posts.

Don't make it so I can not ask dam questions.

What is the gear ratio?
What color?
what price?

Man there is so much junk in the without even a dam price

look here
http://bb.bc4x4.com/showthread.php?s=&threadid=91654

I don't really have time to look around much more but that took 1 min.

I agree with John better moderators or more rules

[u2slow]

I think the door to price critique needs to be opened - officially.

Email contact info should be mandatory for buy/sell sections. Phone number optional. (This is the Internet, remember?)

Other people need to be able to ask questions and give pertinent info in the thread. No one knows everything about what fits what, so that helps deals go more smoothly. IME, in certain newsprint classifieds, people deliberately withhold info in order to expediate their sale. :violin

[99silverado]

every other forum I use has a min 50 posts before you can sell
also If you do not live in bc why are you here selling
I do like the idea of being able to correct someone if they are listing the wrong info
and for the love of god put the size of the tire in,don't say "35's for sale" say "35x12.50r15 bfg mt's with 50% tread left"

[NatetheIngrate]

oops...change my vote to "yes"

i should read more carefully

[lars]

This isn't in the poll but...how about allowing the original thread starter to be able to delete any messages posted to his thread?

That way, he could remove the idiot postings. True, this power could be used for evil as well, but generally speaking, it might be a good thing.


...lars

[overthetop]

Originally posted by lars
This isn't in the poll but...how about allowing the original thread starter to be able to delete any messages posted to his thread?

That way, he could remove the idiot postings. True, this power could be used for evil as well, but generally speaking, it might be a good thing.


...lars

That sounds good. If you have something to sell why does every Tom Dick and Harry have to come in and tell you you are asking too much or you item is a worthless POS. Nothing worse than someone trying to sell his truck and some @$$hat coming in and saying "Hey, mine is better and the same price. Buy mine"

And as far as wading in to the debate about this site being a buy and sell forum....yes it is. And that is cool. I have bought and sold a ton of $h!t here. If you want to talk about trails, click the Trail talk forum, not new posts.

[dawb]

Lars, thats alright too...

the one thing that gets me the most tho (like i said already) is going through a bunch of pages to find out that its sold. I guess its wading through the useless "oh so and so, remember that time we took this truck up here and flipped it, man that was awesome. U still have that? what colour is it now? say hi to the kids." etc etc


So yeah, i guess if the original poster actually takes the time to edit the thread that would work.

Greg, im thinking that over 100 posts etc doesnt really work, coz i wouldnt have just got a sweet deal on my SYE and driveshaft if that were so.

Changing the buy/sell would weed out a lot of looky loos and picture collectors. serious inquiries only. IMO


How often do for sale/wanted ads actually get deleted?? How far back?

[jeepxj89]

Originally posted by Greg82
I like to get the input. Even though sometimes it is useless.

If you put this new system in place all you would see is bunch of adds with a bunch of


ttt




ttt



ttt


ttt


That would be worse to looks at.

i agree. if the only people being allowed to post in the forum is the sellers, the letter ttt better become your new favorite image when lookin for somthing you want to buy. also as we all know some things just dont sell. now if we have a bunch of people trying to sell things that are just not worth buying, were gunna have 2 or 3 pages after no time of old stuff that people just keep ttt-ing. if a time-limit was made on how long your post could be up for before its deleted if noone buys your junk i think that could work, but as far as im concerned i like it the way it is

[lars]

Originally posted by dawb
How often do for sale/wanted ads actually get deleted?? How far back?
I'm guessing that very, very few people delete their ad threads. Every month or so, I do a mass delete of all buy/sell threads that haven't had any replies within the last 30 days.


...lars

[85_GMC_4x4]

I voted wrong! Please change my vote to a Yes.

We need to let people reply.

Here's an example:
Someone tries selling a used D44 axle in "good" condition. A member of the board goes to take a look and notices that the ring and pinion gears are worn badly and ready to break at any minute. This member needs to be able to warn other members that the item is not in good condition so that someone else doesn't get burnt. Same goes for potentially stolen items, or instances where the seller has ripped people off in the past and will probably do it again.

We are a community and we need to be able to take care/warn our fellow members.

[Greg82]

Originally posted by 85_GMC_4x4
I voted wrong! Please change my vote to a Yes.

We need to let people reply.

Here's an example:
Someone tries selling a used D44 axle in "good" condition. A member of the board goes to take a look and notices that the ring and pinion gears are worn badly and ready to break at any minute. This member needs to be able to warn other members that the item is not in good condition so that someone else doesn't get burnt. Same goes for potentially stolen items, or instances where the seller has ripped people off in the past and will probably do it again.

We are a community and we need to be able to take care/warn our fellow members.

I agree.

I really do care about everyone in the 4x4 community.:laugh

[4Lo]

I know you need to be a board supporter to post pics but why not allow the seller to post one or two pics of his or her merchandise so as to eliminate all the useless babbly crap that goes on in a thread. This eliminates all the "post pics, send me pics" yada yada.

I do like the idea of the thread starter being able to delete the nut head posts.

[overthetop]

Just pay the $20. I did and sold my truck...small price to pay

[jeepxj89]

Originally posted by Greg82


I agree.

I really do care about everyone in the 4x4 community.:laugh


wheres the bc4x4 group hug at, i want in!!!!!

[raskal]

Originally posted by overthetop
Just pay the $20. I did and sold my truck...small price to pay
and if you're too cheap for the $20, put up a link to a free picture hosting site

[Dan]

I like the useless replies, reading idiots dumb questions like "how much?" and then replying with a quote of the original post where the price was clearly stated is how I amuse myself during bouts of insomnia

Those other for sale ads too are great, the ones from people with a post count of one, who've hidden their email adresses, and don't give you any contact info in the ad, and never check the board again.

You know, I've bought a lot of stuff off this board, and tried to sell a lot of stuff, but never actually sold any of it, oddly enough I sold a few things that I didnt have for sale at the time through a reply of something like "hey would you happen to have a spare driveshaft to fit that you'd be willing to sell"

[fliptuner]

The crap that goes on here, is nothing compared to other free boards I'm on - where the useless crap and lowballing is at least three fold. On the flipside, the paysites I'm on are a bunch better.

Being able to delete other people's posts is a bad idea IMO cause otherwise useful info on the product or character of the seller could be deleted. If the thread gets too cluttered, just copy/paste a new thread (with updated info) and delete the old one - simple.

Funny thing is, I never see any threads getting closed.

[lars]

Originally posted by fliptuner
Funny thing is, I never see any threads getting closed.
I don't even bother watching those forums because:
a) I have no interest in buying/selling anything.
b) I don't have the time.

I only step in if somebody complains to me about a particular thread.

Also, since the information in the thread is generally useless after a month anyway, any troublesome threads get deleted, not closed.



...lars

[Greg82]

Originally posted by lars

I don't even bother watching those forums because:
a) I have no interest in buying/selling anything.
b) I don't have the time.

I only step in if somebody complains to me about a particular thread.

Also, since the information in the thread is generally useless after a month anyway, any troublesome threads get deleted, not closed.



...lars

So then why and or where did this issue come from. It sounds like a non issue to me

[lars]

Originally posted by Greg82
So then why and or where did this issue come from. It sounds like a non issue to me

The idea (don't let people respond in the threads) has been suggested to me more than a few times, so I thought I should put it to a poll.

Island4x4 has that policy in place right now, partly in order to reduce bandwidth costs.

...lars

[lars]

Who here is interested in moderating the Buy/Sell forums? Big Bad Pete used to do a good job at it but he doesn't have the time anymore.

Mods get Private Messaging and attachment privileges.

Of course, if a bunch of people complain that you're not doing a good job, I'll bust you back down to a registered user. ;-)


...lars

[dawb]

Originally posted by overthetop
Just pay the $20.

For sure, took me a while, but i finally bucked up :D

[brian468]

i`ll do it i`m mean and power hungry,
both two good qualities of a moderator right? :D

[fliptuner]

I could handle 4x4, Misc., Freebie, Tires and Chevy sections, if you're seriously looking.

Everytime I log on, I check almost every thread in those 5 sections anyways - so as not to miss out on any deals.

[Greg82]

Originally posted by lars


The idea (don't let people respond in the threads) has been suggested to me more than a few times, so I thought I should put it to a poll.

Island4x4 has that policy in place right now, partly in order to reduce bandwidth costs.

...lars

Is BC4x4 in a bandwidth crunch ?

[Kraqa]

I woudl like to see more moderation in the for sale section.


and soetimes the questions people ask are going to be common. if someone posts it once other peopel can read it and the seller wont be bombarded if the same question 100000000 times.

[Dan Martz]

I think ive only been mod in the toy for sale section fro a month or so. I pretty much check the site every day

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa
I woudl like to see more moderation in the for sale section.


and soetimes the questions people ask are going to be common. if someone posts it once other peopel can read it and the seller wont be bombarded if the same question 100000000 times.

seroius Karqa "100000000 times". I have told you a thousand times not to exagerate.


lol:D

[Brent]

I check the site pretty much daily. I could help out if needed?

[lars]

Originally posted by Greg82
Is BC4x4 in a bandwidth crunch ?
No, I only mentioned the bandwidth thing to explain ONE of the reasons why Island4x4 has implemented the restrictions. Advertising + board member support is keeping the board & site running.

...lars

[lars]

original message edited:

Ok, I'm enlisting Fliptuner and Raskal to help with the buy/sell moderation. Raskal has volunteered to deal with the Jeep buy/sell section. Dan Martz is already doing the Toyota section. Fliptuner can do the rest as best he can, plus the other two can also help out if they poke around in those areas.

Fliptuner, please send me an email with your real name so I can set you up as mod.

--

And thanks to Brian and Brent for also offering their services. I was tempted to sign you up, Brian, but you might be too mean.
;-) I also think a local guy might be more inclined to check the buy/sell forums regularly. I was going to sign up Brent for the Jeep section but Raskal sent me a PM one day before.



...lars

[Brent]

Originally posted by lars
original message edited:

Ok, I'm enlisting Fliptuner and Raskal to help with the buy/sell moderation. Raskal has volunteered to deal with the Jeep buy/sell section. Dan Martz is already doing the Toyota section. Fliptuner can do the rest as best he can, plus the other two can also help out if they poke around in those areas.

Fliptuner, please send me an email with your real name so I can set you up as mod.

--

And thanks to Brian and Brent for also offering their services. I was tempted to sign you up, Brian, but you might be too mean.
;-) I also think a local guy might be more inclined to check the buy/sell forums regularly. I was going to sign up Brent for the Jeep section but Raskal sent me a PM one day before.



...lars


Darn missed it by a day :( Raskal ill be watching you (just kidding):D

[raskal]

Originally posted by Brent
Darn missed it by a day :( Raskal ill be watching you (just kidding):D
Darn...was too fast by a day

[lars]

Ok...well, Raskal said Brent could have it if he really wanted it, so Brent, do you want it? Let me know.

...lars

[Brent]

Originally posted by lars
Ok...well, Raskal said Brent could have it if he really wanted it, so Brent, do you want it? Let me know.

...lars

Its not a huge deal lars. I was just joking around with Raskal. I just figured since i spend way too much time and $$$ on the site...trust me ask my fiance. I would offer my services.

[lars]

Originally posted by Brent


Its not a huge deal lars. I was just joking around with Raskal. I just figured since i spend way too much time and $$$ on the site...trust me ask my fiance. I would offer my services.
Ok, then you're now a mod and your primary watch will be the Jeep buy/sell areas, although you can muck around with the other buy/sell areas as well.

thx.

...lars

[Brent]

Originally posted by lars

Ok, then you're now a mod and your primary watch will be the Jeep buy/sell areas, although you can muck around with the other buy/sell areas as well.

thx.

...lars


SWEET! I feel like I won somthing :)

[jeepxj89]

ill mod some of the other sub-forums if theres anymore help required. im on here everyday, ive been a member since i got my lisence, and since ive had my lisence ive been wheeling. wrecked my first jeep now im onto my second. ive gotten to know a lot of people on the board and consider myself well liked. wouldnt mind modding the tire for sale or freebie sections. just thought id get my name out there if your lookin

[dawb]

heh,

i think thats about all the votes we're gonna get. hasnt changed in a while i dont think

[raskal]

so far I think the new mods are doing a good job!

Keep it guys!

[lars]

Poll is now closed.

...lars