Project Kraq-Rock (ZJ Buggy)

[Kraqa]

well the gutting has started. all the interior out . that i dont' need right now.

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[Kraqa]

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[Kraqa]

well, today was the day!!!

here is the new ride.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1187.jpg

and now the befor ans after pics.

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no doors or rear lift gate

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my new best friend

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[Kraqa]

presto!!!

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[Poopy]

What a waste of a perfectly good truck...I dont understand you guys.

































:welder

[GoreD]

Wow that thing looks pretty mean for a zj, good work!

[Kraqa]

lots of room now for my inboard coils and trangulated shocks
i'm going to put the springs in side the frame rails.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1200.jpg

these are the lines i would liek to make my cage. but the ideas are still flowin.

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your input would be nice. i'm always down for other opinions.


except for "Damn groceries must be hard to get where you live."

[Poopy]

So, I guess you dont wanna go wheeling next weekend then huh?

:laugh

[THE KID]

man you got some big ass balls. i am not sure if i could do that to my truck. anyways, your truck is looking even more badass with half the amount of sheetmetal there. pirate has tons of truggy style setups being born on there everyday, i say check out that site for ideas. keep up the good work...

[jeeponrock]

And you thought you had problems with VIs before :D :D

[Kraqa]

VI's are a thing of the past with a capable tow vehicle and a trailer. lol


plus i still got the sticker on my windsheild. its good for a year. lol. i think it will be safer when i'm done with it.

[Rockdonkey]

Rock on buddy thats awsome:D :beer :welder

[raskal]

Kris... since you seem to have so much $$$, could you pass some my way??

[Kraqa]

rob,

it doesn't take money to cut metal off a truck. its the tube you weld onto it that i'm going to have problems with. its gonna take me till next summer to finish this. just cause it is so expensive.

[raskal]

I was actually thinking that if I decided to cut up my relatively expensive truck, I'd be walking for a few months.

You, I imagine get to drive that PU that is pictured. I don't have $$ for a 2nd vehicle :violin

Kris, I don't understand what you're doing,... but more power to ya dude! :beer :beer :beer

[EHeye]

my jaw dropped when I saw the pic of he sawzall, but now I can picture it man, I think you gots something going on. But I believe you should replace that gas tank with a fuel cell IMHO. KICK ASS WORK MAN!

[Kraqa]

someone enlighten me on the benefits of a fuel cell. the way i see it. with the stock tank it is free, hold plenty of fuel, and uses the factory Fuel sending unit. that seems like a ver goo choice if you ask me. the tank will be in its own compartment and from the outside will just look like a box painted to match the rest of the truck. i'm thinking abotu going with the white grey blue and black camo. i saw a hummer like that once. blew my mind.

[michael]

exactly how does cutting the roof off the truck make it better?
was the roof in the way of your suspension or tires?

[Kraqa]

ZJ's are a unibody truck. the fenders were gettign in the way and the rear departure angle was getting anoying. if i just removed the fenders and rear section the roof would not be held up by anything. plus it looks cooler.

[MudKick]

Originally posted by Kraqa
ZJ's are a unibody truck.

Unibody = sawsall= :eek:

:rolleyes:
You'd better have a good plan...:welder

[Kraqa]

have i let any of you guys down with my junk before?

[4Lo]

Originally posted by Kraqa
rob,

it doesn't take money to cut metal off a truck. its the tube you weld onto it that i'm going to have problems with. its gonna take me till next summer to finish this. just cause it is so expensive.

Call me for a good price on steel tube, any thickness any dia.;)

[4Lo]

Sorry you need a #...... well email me HERE (mudstuck@hotmail.com)

[Kraqa]

more choppy choppy

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this is way to fun.

[Ranger Guy418]

why exactly are u choppin tht up wut r u makin?

[melloyello83]

Mom and Dad must love you a lot to let you park yur redneckmobile in front of that nice house!!:laugh.....you got balls, my friend......or more $$ than brains.:mullet

[Joe M]

Nice work


....I'm surprised nobody has busted your balls for buying a DeWalt recip..... you can't even call that a Sawzall.

[Daver]

lol, fuel cell would look alot better...

[Donkeyloaf]

Good job I love it. I guess its my turn now. Attention captain sawzall! We have some work to do.

Right on man.

So dose this mean we are not going wheeling for a while?

Keep on :welder

[rkjplt1]

I was wondering how long it would be before we saw this. I would build the cage so you could put in a back seat later if you wanted (Not that my YJ has a back seat). That's just me though. I agree with keeping the stock tank. Cheaper, easier and you could hide anywhere you want.
PS are you getting rid of the stock seats? Want some lazy boy ZJ seats? Are you geting rid of the window switches?

[Kraqa]

Rocco,

umm, unfortunatly i wont be wheeling for about 2 months or so. but this should be a fun project. but hey your more then welcome to stop buy watch/help/drink beer/doo all the work for me if you want.


rkj,

i'm not having a back seat i need room for a cooler and tools, spare parts are for pussy's. and i have already gotten rid of my doors, sorry. aswell as the rear bench. i will be using the stock front seats for a while but eventually i will up grade to some suspension seats.

[Rockdonkey]

Originally posted by Ranger Guy418
how old are you ...?


Hold up now...what kinda question is that:lame

[Kraqa]

umm, not that that has anythign to do with this thread but i'm 20. and for all you guys that think i'm made of money.....i'm sorry to tell you i do not make much. i got t-boned in the jeep buy a drunk driver and it has never drove the same since. and plus i needed a DD anyways. and since i have a DD why not make this thing perform like it should. after i did all the suspension work and axles. the body was just getting in the way i only have like 3" of up travel it woudl bottom out all the time on FS roads. ask donkeyloaf. he saw it in action. it was terrible. nto i can finaly weld the rear and and all the teravel i need.

[Ranger Guy418]

thats why i asked how old cuz u seem ritch fer 20 did u do all the work? if soo ur a pre talented kid,

[Kraqa]

you obviously didn't see any of my other threads that are long deleated.


http://mallcrawlin.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=527

http://mallcrawlin.com/phpBB/viewtopic.php?t=50

all of my junk is built by me in my garage. i have never paid for anyone to do any of my work.

[Ranger Guy418]

is that wut u do fer work or wut?

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa
VI's are a thing of the past with a capable tow vehicle and a trailer. lol


plus i still got the sticker on my windsheild. its good for a year. lol. i think it will be safer when i'm done with it.

Actually Kris even if you have a VI sticker you can still get another one. I am sure you knew that!

I am stocked to see the end result!:D

[Kraqa]

yes i know that about the VI sticker but it looks better then no VI sticker.


and no i do not do any fab work for a living i'm a project manager for www.surrtec.com i handle both the metal detection and enclosure side. i did a little fab there but got into the office quik.

[barracuda]

I was impressed with what i saw of you jeep after you had put the new D70 in . You were putting on some flares i think , I got the impression it was your Daily driver at the time.??

I gotta say i like the direction of of it now, it looks good.
It should be quite the set up when your done this stage . :beer

it will be intersting to see more pictures of it as it is going through this stage of its transformation (it will never really be finished just simply at various stages of its Evolution :p )
:beer

[Kraqa]

ya, it WAS the DD at the time but abotu 1 week after you saw it i got t-boned and that changed everything


oh and 4Lo sorry abotu not getting back to you. i wont need the tubing for a while but i will definatly get a hold of you for pricing when i do.

[4Lo]

I'll email you my #:cool:

[andrew404]

welcome to the dark side bro i love seeing chopped up trucks:redneck i just finished up my chopped runner into a ext ext cab and flatdeck best thing i ever did u wont regret it:beer

[JIMMIE]

looks sweet always good to see someone cutting up a perfectly good truck and 4 lo email me ur # im lookin for some tube to start my exo stangboy469@hotmail.com :beer

[lars]

Kraqa, looks like you've got a very interesting project ahead of you. Keep takin' lots of pics. I'm looking forward to seeing your progress.


...lars

[Kraqa]

as for the pics well here they go:

cut my old rocker out
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here is the rocker
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the new line marked with tape (the poor mans straight edge)
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The rear modifed, this is the line i picked fot the back it should change much now.

[Kraqa]

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the peice going into the frame is 4x2x.125 HSS it is just a transition from the bed to the frame. it go's 4" back into the frame rail and will be seam welded around the frame rail and plug welded in. the "bed" with b 3x2x.125 HSS this is it with me holding it in place

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[Kraqa]

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[jeepnutz]

Hey Kris, you likely don't remember me, I bought your old steel rims off you last summer, anyways I am axle swapping my tj and I would love to get you to point me in the right direction for figuring out my 4 link. anyway if you get a chance to e mail me it's kevie_bridges@yahoo.ca Thanks man.

[whitetrashxj]

i plan on cuttin up the jimmy too but not for a LONG time, im still paying it off lol good work keep it up and post lots of pics, :D

[Donkeyloaf]

Sure I can come and help drink beer or just help ya out. give me a call.

Rocco

[AndrewH]

Originally posted by Kraqa


all of my junk is built by me in my garage. i have never paid for anyone to do any of my work.

i thought you had somone else do the suspension work, or at least that is what you said when i questioned your front track bar...

good luck and hope you had a plan before you just starting cutting. it seems like you just cut everything apart with no solid plan to make it more capable. at least that is what it seems like when you are asking for advice after the fact!

have fun with it and keep the pics coming:laugh

[bent-head]

Dude , Mad Props dog! I cant wait to see the end product. Your not planning on putting Boggers under that sweetheart are you?

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by AndrewH


i thought you had somone else do the suspension work, or at least that is what you said when i questioned your front track bar...

good luck and hope you had a plan before you just starting cutting. it seems like you just cut everything apart with no solid plan to make it more capable. at least that is what it seems like when you are asking for advice after the fact!

have fun with it and keep the pics coming:laugh


the trac bar WAS build by T&S suspension because they fixed my RE track bar after the accident. i wa sunable to do the work and ICBC was paying for it.


I do have a plan but i'm sure you know that as you start cutting, you see things difrtently and your plan changes. and i ask for advice because two heads are better then one. plus every ones see's things difrent.

[abbytoy]

holy cow, when i was 20 i could barely change my own oil:laugh

[Poopy]

Hey kris, can you bend square tube at your shop?

[Kraqa]

no i wish. at work be have a 150 Ton break btu no die for squar.

[AndrewH]

good to hear.

on a side note do you have the little shock type things that hold the rear gate up when it is open?

i need a set badly

andrew

[Kraqa]

i got em not very strong but there yours if you want to come get em.

[AndrewH]

can you pm me your number?

i will grab them tomorrow if possible

thanks

andrew

[1/2toy1/2chevy]

Originally posted by Kraqa
no i wish. at work be have a 150 Ton break btu no die for squar.

if you need rolled or formed hss goto vaningen not sure on the spelling there in glouchester..close to reliable..looks good cant wait to see how you connect her all back together with the uni-body..

[drewbbie]

that looks soo awsome almost makes me wanna do that to my xj but then i relize i got no outher truck:( looks goood tho keep showin us pics:D

[Kraqa]

well here is the progression.

here is the frame rails the bottom notch is for a support braket i will do later.

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the frame rail "transitions" welded in, notice the plug welds.

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[Kraqa]

the transitions cut

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the bed rail in

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[4Lo]

Nice to see some constructive rather than destructive progress. You've got alot of balls my freind to rip apart an already descent jeep.:D

[drewbbie]

i also say u have alot of balls to do that but from looks looks of things u have torn the **** out of it b4

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by drewbbie
i also say u have alot of balls to do that but from looks looks of things u have torn the **** out of it b4


exactly.

balls are one thing but the desire to make a purpose built vehicle is the leg im standing on.

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa



exactly.

balls are one thing but the desire to make a purpose built vehicle is the leg im standing on.


I agree with your statement, but maybe you should be building a tube buggy instead!:D

[whitetrashxj]

a little off topic but are thoes axels from a full size truck?

[Kraqa]

hmm read my sig.

d70 from a 3 ton dodge d600 and a heavy duty high pinion d44 frm a 79 ford f250

[drewbbie]

again a little off topic but do the front and back axle have the same bolt pattern?

[Kraqa]

yes

[AndrewH]

can i grab those shock things

let me know

andrew

[Donkeyloaf]

I would have to say this is an interesting way to fix a broken shock mount.:D

[Kraqa]

andrew,

i'l havthem for you this weekend.

778-808-2173

call me

donkey it is a very interesting way now i can run triangulated shocks. my ultimate goal. only i'm thinking abotu doing 1/4" eliptical in the rear and ditching the coils.

[Kraqa]

and there was a guy named craig that e-mailed me regarding doing a 8.8 install. i e-mailed you back but got a delivery delay notice so if you dont get it then call my cell

[Rockdonkey]

Originally posted by Donkeyloaf
I would have to say this is an interesting way to fix a broken shock mount.:D

Its the only logical way really if you look at it closely..hehe lookin good man:beer

[Donkeyloaf]

You should stick with th coils they seemed to work very well for you.

OR pick up some coilovers.

[Kraqa]

i think the transition sections will be plenty strong with the brackets installed.

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[Mazda]

Love the speed holes.

Looks good.

[pitter]

Why start with something that has a unibody? why not a full frame vehicle like a yota or a heep yj/tj. whatever is cheap. or a tube chassis?

[Poopy]

Originally posted by pitter
Why start with something that has a unibody? why not a full frame vehicle like a yota or a heep yj/tj. whatever is cheap. or a tube chassis?

Why not? He had all the suspension done, axles done, why start over with something new just so it has a traditional frame?

[Ranger Guy418]

i agree .... :metoo :D

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa
just be thankfull its nto a jeep unibody.


This is what Kris said in another post? lol

Just seems easier to start with a frame then to build one under a unibody. IMO

[Kraqa]

if noone re0invented things we would all be ****ting in bed pans.

[THE KID]

chris, are you from brookswood?

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa
if noone re0invented things we would all be ****ting in bed pans.

Don't you hate getting out of bed just to take a Sh!t.

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by THE KID
chris, are you from brookswood?

yes why?


and greg its one of my biggest pet peeves. lol

[Brentolsten]

Originally posted by pitter
Why start with something that has a unibody? why not a full frame vehicle like a yota or a heep yj/tj. whatever is cheap. or a tube chassis?

he dared to be different!

[Kraqa]

well i got some more on the rockers.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1229.jpg

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[WallyCruiser]

Thats pretty friggen cool Kraqa. You remind me of me...... except right now I have F#&K all for tools =-(

Wally needs a Welder!!

Keep up the good work

[Kraqa]

here go's the new stuff

the spring perch bracket, i used the sping "center pin" frm the stock rear. and i will re reusing the stock bump stops.....thats for another post tho.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1234.jpg

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in that one you can see to the left the start of the main hoop. that will tie into the roof and be fully seem welded to the roof sheet metal. yes it will be out of squar. makes for a nice flat surface to place my snaps for the tauno cover.

[Kraqa]

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[rkjplt1]

Square tubing for a rollcage, eh. Ever play with an egg?

[Greg82]

Dam you do so nice garage fab!

[Kraqa]

themain hoop wil be squar. then inside that squar will be a X from ERW. that is the only squar in my cage everything else will be out of tube. you'll see why i used squar in the next few posts.


and Thnx Greg.

[whitetrashxj]

shizzle man, lookin good keep posting pics,

[EHeye]

I agree on square tubing. Unfortunately when it comes to functionality and roll cages (exo cages) the curved ones tend to make you keep rolling. At least a square one you have an edge to catch...



... That cliff can come up pretty quick. Remember we live in BC and not Arizona, water makes a difference.

[4Lo]

I like your welds. more pics more pics.

[fliptuner]

"won't you be......... my neighbor?"

[FJ40man2]

NICE.. I wanna come with you when you test it :) My truck may be done by then..

[Kraqa]

all are welcome.

[FJ40man2]

I also wanted to talk to you about fender trimming and bumper designs for the ZJ, my mom just got a RE 4.5" kit on hers, but it needs some trimming. I was going to take the front up to about the same lines where yours is. I was a little nervous to take the sawzall to the rear though..

[Kraqa]

its easy the rear sux tho if you do it to much or wrong it will leak bad. but your moms cool.

[CuziWasHigh]

wow sexy looking truck great job, good luck on the rest :beer

[Poopy]

Originally posted by rkjplt1
Square tubing for a rollcage, eh. Ever play with an egg?

Why whats gonna happen? Its gonna crack and spill goo all over?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:

[Poopy]

Originally posted by EHeye
I agree on square tubing. Unfortunately when it comes to functionality and roll cages (exo cages) the curved ones tend to make you keep rolling. At least a square one you have an edge to catch...



... That cliff can come up pretty quick. Remember we live in BC and not Arizona, water makes a difference.

What planet are you guys from?? Is this your idea of how a cage should be shaped?

http://www.circusjuventas.com/Galleries_Taroq/SAM01850c.jpg

[EHeye]

No but if you have actual bends on the outside of an exo cage, something with momentum rolling down a hill will keep going. I would rather have something that would stop me right away (edges of the cage).

[Poopy]

Ok, you dont wheel much do you...??

[1/2toy1/2chevy]

if its square or round, if your going fast enough its not gonna matter with the momentom of the roll..round surfaces are better for slideing agianst things like the outer exo..but square cages can be made just as well..just not as pleasing to the eye and alot more prep work..and if yea dont have a bender..

[Kraqa]

i think the squar cage will work out just fine. and as for the roll over thing it doesn't matter that your cage is made of if it wants to continue rolling it will.

as for the pics

this is my shock mounts and it will have my bump stops on it as well as limiting straps and my rear hitch will eventually tie into it.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1241.jpg

lots of adjustability for the triangulated shocks
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1242.jpg

and a few more of the rocker all welded up in place. did i mention how much i hate welding 22 guage with a miller 250.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1243.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1244.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1245.jpg

[fliptuner]

..............mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............r.o.c.k. e.r.s..............gooooooooodddd

[FJ40man2]

Originally posted by fliptuner
..............mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm............r.o.c.k. e.r.s..............gooooooooodddd

Its going to be sooo sweet..

[Kraqa]

ya now if someone will lend me a tube bender for a bit i would be even that much better off.

[4Lo]

Can't you rent one from united or valley rentals. HMMMM possibly canadian tire.

Looks good.

[Kraqa]

i can rent one from metro systems but they only have a 90* die and its a 9" radius. its 65$ a day.



and i'v made the descition to attempt a 1/4 elliptical rear setup. i'm hopfully pickin gup the springs fromt greg82 tonight.

[Ranger Guy418]

dude, when are you guna run outta money...:D ?

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa
i can rent one from metro systems but they only have a 90* die and its a 9" radius. its 65$ a day.



and i'v made the descition to attempt a 1/4 elliptical rear setup. i'm hopfully pickin gup the springs fromt greg82 tonight.

Hey kris maybe we should talk, I might be able to rent you my bender. ttyl

[whitetrashxj]

kris, rockers are looking good making me wanna do that too hehe :D :beer

[rkjplt1]

Originally posted by Poopy


Why whats gonna happen? Its gonna crack and spill goo all over?

:rolleyes: :rolleyes:
I was refering to the strength a round object has over a square one.
:p

[Kraqa]

greg cool, we WILL talk.

s10- the rock sliders are one of the best mods ever. they can even make a stock vehicle go tons of places.

and so far i havn't spen anymoney on this project except on some small items i got on sale from pricess auto that none of you guys knwo about. 9 gallon air tank 60' of hoze and a manifold, oh and a 12' coiled air line for my rear dif breather.

and i'v decided to slow down onth e1/4 ellipticle. i'm going to throw the coils in there to get it rolling so i can turn the truck around to do the other side and build more of the cage and do some more reserch on the suspension. working for a steel manufacturing company has it benefits. all of this material is scrap.

[4-runnin]

Originally posted by rkjplt1

I was refering to the strength a round object has over a square one.
:p

Ummm as far as HSS goes square is way stronger than round. Thats why you hardly ever see buildings being built out of round tube. At least thats what they teach in steel fabrication school? Who knows maybe you know better?

[Kraqa]

the problem with squar is that they hav corners on them so when you weld them to a plate they are more seseptible to tear at the corners. round tube does not have any corners so they can take the same impact from all sides and it will stand up alot longer befor it tears away.

[LocashMikey]

Wow dude thats a big project to take on I like it so far would like to see it in person one day and take a closer look
Keep up the good work

[rkjplt1]

Originally posted by 4-runnin


Ummm as far as HSS goes square is way stronger than round. Thats why you hardly ever see buildings being built out of round tube. At least thats what they teach in steel fabrication school? Who knows maybe you know better?

What Kraqa said. Plus buildings don't tend to have side load put on them, right? When was the last time you saw a roll and no side load was put on the cage?
Don't forget that round is generally more expensive.
PS I am interested in why you think 1/4 elliptic is better than coils.

[Kraqa]

well my take on the coil Vs. 1/4 ellip is that my ass end is super light. the coils i have are very stiff and when the vehicle is supporting by its own weight (at rest) the coils are only compressed about 1". This doesn't allow for a heck of alot of down travel. with 1/4 ellip i can have a true progressivespring rate. and unlimited down travel. plus i can chenge the ride height any time i want. and if one spring doesn't work then leaf springs are easy to get and very cheep. Coils are expensive. and i think i would have to try a few difrent coils in the back before i would be able to fine tune it to what i want. and coil overs are WAY out of the question right now.

[Kris B Krunch]

Nice work man, Your Jeep is sure a lot different than when I saw it with 33's. But been watching you're buildup all along on here has been cool.

You asked for suggestions, and the only one that I can offer is that when your all finished, I think Rhino lining, or more your style a do it your self type product like Durabak, Herculiner, Gator guard ect. would be great for the interior.

[Kraqa]

thanx man,

i'm thinking about the knock-pff rhino lining. but right now i'm concentrating on getting the frame and cage build then the rear suspension mods and then i'l move on to the front suspension. i wana run one upper arm but to do so i need to re-inforce the brakets a bit. i wana be able to beet the snot out of it.

then i'm gonna install the tank and plum the whole thing for OBA i want to have air at all 4 corners. i already have the 9 gallon tank and the A/C converted to a pump. then once its all done i'm strip[ping the whoel thing down and possibly blastign the whole tihng if not then sanding it and laying on some nice paint. Industrial enamel.

oh ya and befor that i'm re-building the engin and swpping for a TF999 tranny with a d300 t-case and i want to run 1410 U-joints at least. with squar trailer hitch drive shafts. this thing will be bomb proof. well almost i'm stickign with the 38's till i can afford the HP d60 in the front. i think i might go with a ford 9" hybrid front judt cause its difrent and i like to build axles.

i promis all you guys i will have some progress pics this weekend. i screwed my back up at work a few days ago and i can barly move. all thats to the drnk driver that T-boned me a while ago. i'm left this crippled back that will always let me down. i hope to have it rolling so i can turn it around in the garage so i can do the other rocker then the cage can begin.

[kovlov]

dam son, you do some seriously nice work. Full props on everything I've seen. One question though. I noticed on the jeep (before you cut it up) on the flex pics that the rear coil was free at the top. Do you have to get out and re set it in place or does it somehow line itself back up properly?

[Kraqa]

my limiting strap, (the shock) tore off. that post you see on the spring perch allows the spring to unseat and remain on line. but having the shock tear off made it flex WAY to much and then donkeyloaf had to use a shovel to put it back in.

[jeeperdude]

good ****ing lord man and to think i have the stock version off this jep in my yard lol ya should a seen the look on the wifey face when she seen that LMAO she nearly died "there no god damn way you even thinkin o that " are you ?

[FJ40man2]

MORE PICS.. please :beer :beer :beer :mullet

[Kraqa]

so i took the jeep for a spin today with the sun out and plus i had to turn the jeepo around to do the other side. i'l tell you one thing. man i love the amount of visibility this thing has especially with the doors off. soooo much nicer then befor. makes me way more excited to finish this thing and get back to that thing i call wheelin.

the other rocker hutted
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1251.jpg


floor chopped to match the other side

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1252.jpg

this is the inside of the rocker. that peice of rusty angle iron is what i had to do to make my previouse rockers fit. it did the job at the time but i'm doing it right this time

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1253.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1254.jpg

this is the hole for the frame tei in support
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1255.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1256.jpg

[Kraqa]

More

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1257.jpg


Nice and clean!!! bling bling

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1258.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1259.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1260.jpg

[drewbbie]

looks good keep up the good work

[PhantomEB]

Props to you for going and doing something different.

Two thumbs up on square shafts, I am going the same way for my front as well as my spare. I am a little concerned about higher speed running a rear square shaft to the trail head, what have you.

:welder

[Pw82]

so ya gonna weld those diffs and get some gearing now too?:D

[Kraqa]

the rear will be welde. the frn twill stay open until i get the 60 in there. then it will get weled. and the 4.56 gears will be ok once i get the 4:1 t-case

[Kraqa]

Alright,

well it is official i'm out of gas for the welder hopfully the local welding shop will deliver a new bottle tomorrow. but heres how far i got tonight on the rear bumper.


i will be tieing this into the shock x-mem and then the shock x-mem intto the frame so dont bitch abotu how this will but be strong enough.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1298.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1299.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1300.jpg

since none of you bastards bought my rear hitch i was forced to chop it up and use it for the receiver on this bumper. I guess it all worked out in the end.

oh and yes i know it isn't welded to the frame yet. the bumper is just placed there for right now. hence the i ran out of gas statment.

[Kraqa]

well its all welded in now

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1301.jpg

and cross braced, thats 2x2.125 wall HSS welded to the hitch going straight back and 1" SCH40 cross braces

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1302.jpg

[Kraqa]

well, i got some work done today even tho i went to Micheal White and the Whites last night (its a Zepplin tribute band that ****ing ROCKS). Hung over welding is the best.

here is the passenger side rocker in place and fully welded
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1304.jpg

Another angle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1305.jpg

This is the final roof cut the main hoop out of the squar tubing will be fully seam welded to it so that i dont have any leaks

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1311.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1312.jpg

Then i got motivated to do the shocks. I'v wanted Triangulated rear shocks ever since i found out how they worked. I got soem cheep very stiff shocks and having them mounted Vertical the rear was Very stiff. now this shoudl sofen it up a bit and allow for some MAD flex if i chose to use all of it.

This is a 5/8" bolt weled to the axle
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1306.jpg

Then both shocks in

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1307.jpg

[Kraqa]

You can see all the whole i did so that i can adjust the rear shocks once i get this this rolling and test out how uit feels.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1308.jpg

Another.

You can see the coiled air line i'm using for a rear dif breather. at rest is is 6" long and full streatch it is 12' so this should be nice with a really flexy rear end i wont have a bunch of breather hoze all over the place. it will run to the frame then frm there i will run standard air hoze to the top of the main hoop where it will go to a manifold with all the other breathers then capped with a air filter.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1309.jpg


and then this is just a cool pic

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1310.jpg

[Kraqa]

just so you guys know that weld on bolt is a temp solution until i get the whole rear end figured out for the 1/4 ellip.

[kicker_92]

Just for a scale reference, what size of thread are on the lower control arms?

Thanks,

[Kraqa]

on the lower arms at the axle end are 3/4' NF and at the frame end is 9/16" NF

the uppers are the opposite.

[Kraqa]

More Progress.....


with the roof cut on the weekend i started on the hoop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1313.jpg

but soon found out i ran out of HSS so this is as far as i got.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1314.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1315.jpg

[Kraqa]

With nothign better to do i prepped the floor boards. this is there final configuration, the only acception is the holes i have to cut for the UCA braces.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1316.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1317.jpg

this is the tank roughly in place. got JUST the right amount of room to clear where i'm mounting the spare tire.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1318.jpg


you can see where the filler neck will go. i'm having a tube for my cage connect to the main hoop and run to the rear bumper. The filer will be mounted to that. i coulcn't be happier as to how the stock hose is bent. the angle and distance are VERY close to stock.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1319.jpg

[metallicajunky]

keep up the good work man, this is a nice little project you got goin

[Kraqa]

Well i'm finally saying good bye to coils....and in good MC/POR fasion.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1326.jpg

and i'm going 1/4 ellip. This is all the parts i will need except shackles and the pillow block mounting pad's
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1325.jpg

most people use a heim joint at the shackle end to help with the binding as it flexs. Thats because they hard mount there leafs at the frame. i'm going to mount my leafs to the pillow block and allow then to hinge on down travel.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1321.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1323.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1322.jpg

the pillow block will hard mount to the frame. (i need to make the bracket first. but this is the rough placment.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1324.jpg

and the best part is the fact that i can have a tru progressive spring rate and i can adjust the ride hieght at any time. this is what i have to play with if i find that the springs are to soft.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1327.jpg

[frank]

I have a hunch you'll need spare pillow blocks. I think those castings might break pretty regularly.

[cambo]

:metoo i think there is a lot of stress at that end!!

[desteurm]

Princess Auto $4.99:laugh

[jeeponrock]

There is a reason most people hard mount their quarter elliptical packs.

My hinged quarter elliptical packs got welded in place pretty quickly. I'm willing to bet you'll learn to hate them too.

If you allow them to drop there is nothing stopping the suspension from unloading as you go down a drop or traverse a side hill. You end up with a lot of body roll and a pretty unstable ride. Looks pretty on a ramp though :D

[Kraqa]

how does it flex with out the hinged set up??

i'm cusiouse if you have any pics of your setup.

[jeeponrock]

Originally posted by Kraqa
how does it flex with out the hinged set up??

i'm cusiouse if you have any pics of your setup.

The fixed setup works just fine for me. I've never been denied an obstacle because I didn't have enough flex :D

Here's a pic when it was hinged. Cheesy ramp queen pic but it helps make my point.
http://bc4x4.com/features/2000/sr/sr-11.jpg

With the back end having near unlimited droop it prevented the front end from flexing. If the front tire went over a bump the body stayed square with the front axle until the rear end ran out of travel. Only then would the front end start to compress. The front springs were soft and well broken in so they weren't the problem. I learned to drive the front end (keeping it square to the ground and letting the rear flex where it wanted) but this made some stuff pretty ugly to traverse. It led to one bad rollover and some other exciting moments.

The key to happiness is a balanced suspension (or only slightly more travel in the rear).

[Jthrelfall]

Wow awesome work man! Looking forward to see the finished juggy and progress pictures.:welder :D

[builtzuki]

Originally posted by frank
I have a hunch you'll need spare pillow blocks. I think those castings might break pretty regularly.

x10

just hope if we run into you on a trail we'll be in front of you so we don't get held up when you break.


I built a 1/4 elip.. in my zuki buggy, it flex's plenty with the frame end fixed. Everyone who has ever made it hinged has changed it to fixed.

this is not builtzuki....he was logged into this computer....me bad.

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by builtzuki


x10

just hope if we run into you on a trail we'll be in front of you so we don't get held up when you break.


hmm well that comment was some good constructive critisism.

i guess it doesn't help much to say now but i desided a few days ago to go with hard mount. i just didnt type it here. I'm horrifically sick right now so i won't have any new progress or pics for you guys till next week.

[Kraqa]

Just a up date, I have been VERY sick for a while now and havn't done much on the buggy. BUT i will be going down to seattle on sunday to pick up my new tranny. its a TF999 has been rebuilt and shoudl be a very nice change from the 42RE. i will post pics of the progress when i get my camera back from my parents.

[Kraqa]

well here is a few more photo's.

i finished the main hoop. but my parents had the cam so i couldn't take progress pics.

this is the concept idea for my cage
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1352.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1353.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1354.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1355.jpg

i think there shoudl be plenty of triangulation

these are the holes i cut in the floor. right under the floor boards here is the top of my UCA mount for my rear. Another perfict location to tei the cage into.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1356.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1357.jpg

[Pw82]

holy Monkey bars Batman!!!

A cross Brace on your B-pillar hoop would be sufficient

[Kraqa]

This is a concept ONLY.

it will not be the ellaborate.

this is just a start ot get my mind wandering then i will build it as i go.

[mrmakeitworse]

Looks Great. Hope to meet you on the trail one day.

Scott
H.O.T

[Kraqa]

ok i got soem work done today, i bought my self a respirator and man what a difrence in breathing. but here is it. i guess the start of my cage. this is some 1" SCH40 pipe lying around this is the only part of the cage that will be out of pipe and not mechanical tube so no one bitch.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1358.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1359.jpg
This is where the spare tire will mount. ther eeventyally will be a X in here.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1361.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1362.jpg

you can see the cross braces on the main hoop.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1363.jpg

[Kraqa]

a few out side shots after i took it for a spin.

On a side note. this thing feel WAY stiffer then before i chopped it having some sort of a cage in place now. especially in the corners.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1364.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1365.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1366.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1367.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1368.jpg

[kovlov]

awesome, startin to look like a toyota with a green jungle-gym attached to it.:laugh :laugh jk
lookin good meng:mullet

[EHeye]

Looks awesome. Nice bling in the background to. No wonder you can afford to hack a Cherokee apart :p Gonna be a helluva buggy/truggy.

[Kraqa]

all of that "Bling" has no influence on this project. i pay rent to live here and thats it. Just remember it is cheep to cut soemthign apart. and i ge tthe steel for very cheep. so all in all its not that bad.

[kicker_92]

http://members.shaw.ca/ryangates/misc/Cage.jpg
I realize this was just a rough layout, but you might want to avoid any sections like circled where a brace joins to the middle of a tube member. It will be much stronger to move the tubes to meet at a common point. Can't always get everything ideal, but just wanted to point that one out.

How are you planning to finish the rear, open tube, or sheeting it all in?

[EHeye]

I was just messin around Kraqa :p I love your write up on this project and actually seeing progress kicks ass. So many projects people have but you never see any progress. But your on the ball bud! Cheers!!

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by kicker_92
http://members.shaw.ca/ryangates/misc/Cage.jpg
I realize this was just a rough layout, but you might want to avoid any sections like circled where a brace joins to the middle of a tube member. It will be much stronger to move the tubes to meet at a common point. Can't always get everything ideal, but just wanted to point that one out.

How are you planning to finish the rear, open tube, or sheeting it all in?



normally i would do that but in order to save space behind the seats i was laying it out liek that. looking at the rest of the design i didn't think it would be all that nessisary i mean i have alot of other supports. i will rethink that one a bit when th etime comes. thnx for your inpout.


Eheye: I figured as much but i wanted to clear up any miss conceptions.

[FrEeQ]

Wow, I just read this whole thread from page 1-12!

Man, this is an awesome project, looking awesome!

I just moved out of Langley into New West, I miss Langley :(

Can't wait to see more updates.

[cambo]

so....... silver spoon has nothing to do with this?:laugh :laugh :laugh

[Kraqa]

The new edition to the family.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/TF999/100_1369.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/TF999/100_1370.jpg

- Hurst shifter
- New torque converter (no idea what the stall is )
- Fly wheel
- and TF999 tranny.

$230 and a drive to seattle.

the boarder didnt' even charge duty or tax he was like"drive right through"

[FrEeQ]

Awesome

Haha I love the auto :P

[Kraqa]

So this is whart my rear end looks like and for some reason i HATE it. it looks weird just being square. so i decided to change it.....and plus the local farm supply store was having a sale on lights. i got them for $1 each. you will see then in a sec. first is the progression to the "better rear.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1325.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1371.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1376.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1374.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1373.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1372.jpg

[Kraqa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1375.jpg

[FrEeQ]

Looking good.

[Greg82]

kris I think those lights will get smashed very easly:D :cool: :eek: :p :( :cool:

[FrEeQ]

Originally posted by Greg82
kris I think those lights will get smashed very easly:D :cool: :eek: :p :( :cool:

Only cost $1... haha

[Greg82]

Originally posted by FrEeQ


Only cost $1... haha

Cost of a VI for a broken light!!:eek:

[Damaged]

Originally posted by Greg82


Cost of a VI for a broken light!!:eek:

I can't see that being an issue as there is no way he'll get that passed for driving on the street again.;)

[EHeye]

got license plate? :p

[Damaged]

Originally posted by EHeye
got license plate? :p
Got money for the tow and impound yard when the Police haul it away as unsafe?

[FrEeQ]

Well he did mention earlier he has a vehicle to tow the truck around.

[Kraqa]

i do not plan on driving this on the road. ..BUT,........i do have a shop that will VI it for me and pass it, they have even commited to noting all the modifications on the VI papers. but i do not plan on buying insurance for it. well nothig more then storage insurance.

[FrEeQ]

Originally posted by Kraqa
i do not plan on driving this on the road. ..BUT,........i do have a shop that will VI it for me and pass it, they have even commited to noting all the modifications on the VI papers.

Ha! Nice.

[Kraqa]

Ok well here is the day I'v been wating for for a long time. the 1/4 ellip is prity much done with a few minor adjustments.

This is the old Spring Perch

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0001.jpg

I had to remove it
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0002.jpg

Now i'm off to the mounting location.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0003.jpg
i ground the galvanizing off the frame. and you will see in the next pic that i added a 1/4" plate below the leafs mounting plate to help spread the load out over a larger area. (Important to do with a unibody)
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0005.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0004.jpg


NOW i'm marking where the axle moutn will be
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0006.jpg

[Kraqa]

I used the old eye from the other end of the leaf. I knwo welign to spring steel is not a good idea in a structural aplication. i will eventoally have to change this btu for mow it should be fine.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0007.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0008.jpg

everything all bolted up.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0009.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0010.jpg

Now the time to test out how she flex's

Keep in mind this is with the front still connected.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0012.jpg

[Kraqa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0014.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0015.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/Kraq-Rock0017.jpg

PS matts image resizer works good.

[FrEeQ]

Wow, looking great

[Kraqa]

the spacer i have (the squar tubing) will be goign to a thicker tube, capped on bolt ends and there will be a plate on the bottom of the leafs to aleviate most of that stress onthe frnt bolt. They are 5/8" i will got going with grade 8 shortly.

[foxtail-offroad]

You definately have the most/best built zj I have ever seen now.

All thats left now is to jump it lol

[copeland]

I don't know I must have missed it somewhere..why the cut out of coils in the rear...

No offense but that looks really sketchy the way it is with those buggy leafs...way too much stress on them, and the way they fan out a bit in that ditch...running like that....what will happen if the main breaks ?

Sorry if I missed a critical answer to this but I just gotta know...

[Kraqa]

it is called 1/4 elliptical and tons of people run it. the coils sucked way to short wrong spring rate. i didn't want to experiment with difrent coils with 1/4 ellip you can get a tru progressive spring rate. like i said before there is going to be some modifications to the leafs they will nto fan out and the mounts will be beefed. i just wanted to get it rolling aff the coils because with the rear chopped there wasn't enough weight to even compresss them at a rest. so driving over a curb woudl drop a coil. this has been covered MANY times in the previouse posts.

[pook]

your rear leafs are going to snap wear you bolted through them.

try and make it so you can use square ubolts or a plate and sandwich them.

[pook]

I would also look into using a u shaped shackle with a hiems joint attached through the bottom of the u then use the hiems to attach to the axle, this will make you main leaf much more happy in the long term.

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by poop
your rear leafs are going to snap wear you bolted through them.

try and make it so you can use square ubolts or a plate and sandwich them.


Originally posted by Kraqa
and there will be a plate on the bottom of the leafs to aleviate most of that stress onthe frnt bolt. They are 5/8" i will got going with grade 8 shortly.


liek i said in my previouse post. that will be done. Maybe i'm comming off as a bit of a dick but i have posted this on like 3 other boards and i get tones of peopel saying why didn't you keep the coils and you gotta put a plate in there. Just getting tired of it. No offence to anyone.

[Kraqa]

Originally posted by poop
I would also look into using a u shaped shackle with a hiems joint attached through the bottom of the u then use the hiems to attach to the axle, this will make you main leaf much more happy in the long term.


this will be done later. fo now the standard shackle will be fine. tons of guy's run it like this doing alot more hard core wheelin then we got around here and never break a shackle or leaf.

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Kraqa





liek i said in my previouse post. that will be done. Maybe i'm comming off as a bit of a dick but i have posted this on like 3 other boards and i get tones of peopel saying why didn't you keep the coils and you gotta put a plate in there. Just getting tired of it. No offence to anyone.


Kris sometimes these boards make it hard to get your point accross. Or your point point does get accross as you intended it too. Or people only read parts of the posts.

BTW. I see what you are doing!

Looks Good!:D

[pook]

Originally posted by Kraqa





liek i said in my previouse post. that will be done. Maybe i'm comming off as a bit of a dick but i have posted this on like 3 other boards and i get tones of peopel saying why didn't you keep the coils and you gotta put a plate in there. Just getting tired of it. No offence to anyone.

well if you don't want critismn stay off the net....what do you want a pat on the back and your the greatest damn fabricater ever award...

just trying to be helpful thats why you post stuff up isn't it?...to share info etc....I have built these suspensions before,some work good, and some haven't. Seen good ones and seen them break.

the bolt isn't whats going to break. its the leaf springs. why do you think the leaf spring factorys only put a 1/4"-3/8" bolts through leaf springs. They also try and keep the hole in the center of a 6" plate so the spring does not bend there. You've created a very weak spot in a bending piece of metal. Take a 3' piece of 3"' flat bar and drill a big hole in it 6" from the end and clamp the short end in a vise. grab the long end and wiggler back and forth...it will break right at the hole just like your leafs will with time.

[pook]

heres a current thread on leaf drilling.

leaf spring redrilling (http://www.pirate4x4.com/forum/showthread.php?t=347244)

and they are talking about a a hole smaller than 3/8"

[Kraqa]

its nto that i don't want critisism. its that i have already stated i'm going to fix it. i think you took my post the wrong way. Settle down man. this is the internet.

[pook]

yeah....not trying to be a dick either.

its just what i would tell any one of my friends or my little bro if i walked into there shop and saw them building what you built. actually i'd probably be more of a dick to them.

maybe i didn't understand what your saying your going to do to fix the leaf mount at the frame end. a plate with two holes for the bolts is not going to fix it.

[copeland]

I know nothing...

I've seen 1/4 eliptical, just not setup like that.

Of course, I haven't seen a ZJ setup like that either...:redneck

Anyways, I never say you can criticize soemthing till it has the official "I'm done" said about it, but for progression, I just had those questions.

One thing, I did post this on POR, and some responses were focused on your heims...It was suggested (In true POR fashion) That they should be sucked up, having that much thread exposed is a recipe for breaking on rock...just a little point you may or may not have considered.

When was the last time a bc4x4 post made this many pages? :beer

[mr.vic]

looking pretty cool so far! great work and can't wait to see it when its all said and done :D

:welder

[Kraqa]

ya i have had critizism before on the JJ and the threads. those are 1" grade 8 solid stock. they will bend btu not break i'v beet the hell out of them and no problems. on that not. i will be shortening my wheel base but shortening up those arms. it was already in the plans. that will cover up alot more of those threads.

[Kraqa]

Ok so i finally got to the 1/4 ellip frame mount.

Let me knwo what you think.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1409.jpg
this is out of formed 3/8" plate.



http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1411.jpg
i made a new spacer plate that is stronger then the old one

this is the old one.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1410.jpg

this is the new one in place.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1412.jpg


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Kraq-Rock%20Buggy/100_1414.jpg

[EHeye]

How does the lawn mower work?


Looks good BTW! :D

[Poopy]

Originally posted by copeland

When was the last time a bc4x4 post made this many pages? :beer

Not since attention whores like Whizzy and Bigbird frequented the site...I think that was back in the 1980's....:D

[Whizzy]

Originally posted by Poopy


Not since attention whores like Whizzy and Bigbird frequented the site...I think that was back in the 1980's....:D

Is that the equivelant to the poopy show that was on the island?
:laugh

[Rockdonkey]

Originally posted by Whizzy


Is that the equivelant to the poopy show that was on the island?
:laugh

I guess you would have known..if only you could get your truck out of that garage:D :beer

[Kraqa]

He keep breaking it in his Back Yard.

[22re-efer]

I don't have any suggestions or criticisms. I just wanted to tell you I'm really impressed. A truly ambitious project that looks like it is turning out well. :beer

[Jthrelfall]

Looking Real good so far! Cant wait to see the finished product! :redneck :welder :D :canadian

[Greg82]

Next can you build an RTI ramp with all your free steel, so we can have a flex comp:D

[Kraqa]

A Flex comp??? if you really want one let me know.

[Kraqa]

Bump. i start my cage in 4 days.

[FrEeQ]

:beer

[Damaged]

What kind of a guy bumps his own build up thread? I think Poopy had it right....attention whore.

[Greg82]

Originally posted by Damaged
What kind of a guy bumps his own build up thread? I think Poopy had it right....attention whore.

hhahah what kind of guy bumps a bump?

insulting you not bumping!:p

[Kraqa]

me attention whore.....naw

[metallicajunky]

yeah keep it posted man this is a good project

[FrEeQ]

A lot of ***s on these boards :laugh

[Kraqa]

ok the post you'v all been waiting for

Fist off i never claimed to be a experty at bending nore will i ever become one. so if you do things the way i did it and **** up alot of tube dont' come bitching. Everything i learned is from bendign 101 on POR.

First of all this is what your going to need to do this right

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0001.jpg

mark your measurement on the floor with soapstoned like so.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0002.jpg

then bend up a 90* and mark where the bend starts and stops. also mark where the bend starts on your bending dye.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0003.jpg

you will be able to tell where the bend starts and stops by feeling the inside of the tube for a small indent.

then use this to mark where the bend starts and stops on you tube from the outline on the floor.

one side of the bend
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0004.jpg

then the other
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0005.jpg

measure the total length of tube your going to need frm your outline. then cut it and mark center of the length. from the center out mark your first bend.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0006.jpg

then insert in the bend and line up the two marks( the one on the tube and then one on the dye) then start bending.

that wasn't detailed btu if you want more tech i'l post the link to the bending 101

so here is what it loosk like.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0007.jpg

now for the truck pics

[Kraqa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0012.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0008.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0011.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0013.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0014.jpg

[Kraqa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0015.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0016.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0017.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0018.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0019.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0020.jpg

[Kraqa]

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0021.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0022.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0023.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0024.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0024.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0026.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0027.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/Kraq-RockCage0028.jpg

[Kraqa]

the main hoop took me about 3 houirs to do and it is 6" to wide at the top. in total i'm 10 hours into this cage. 3 hours yesterday and 7 hours today. it is not done yet obviously.

[nfc]

what are you going to do about the 6" too wide?

[Kraqa]

i'm going to leave it it look ok i think,. it shouldn't made a difrence in strength. so i guess i'm ok with it. its to late now.

[Poopy]

Lookin Good! I like the lines of the back, but I think the fenders are too high. Nice work.

[FrEeQ]

oOo!! Nice man :beer

[Greg82]

hmmm makes me think I should bend some tube;)

[pitter]

Originally posted by Greg82
hmmm makes me think I should bend some tube;)


well you have officially used the bender more than the owner now. :rolleyes: :rolleyes: :D

[copeland]

atta boy!

Looking good on the bends, what did you use to notch the tube? what bender are you using?

Was watching The 2002 vid, Pirates of the Rubicon, saw the rear eliptical like you built being used, I now understand where you're heading.

[Kraqa]

thnx i noticed that the bender looked kinda new. i figured when i'm done i woulda bent more then the owner. i went through 2 cans of wd40 so far.

the bender is a JD2 model 3

the notcher is a angle grinder and alot of swearing.

and thank you for finaly under standing on thew 1/4 ellip.

[Damaged]

Just wondering why the main hoop didn't have another bend in it just above the door handle so it followed the body lines better? Was it just an issue of not having enough experience bending tube?

[Kraqa]

BINGO.

I WOUDL DO IT NOW THAT I KNWO WHAT I'M DOING BUT I DIDN'T HAVE ENOUGH EXPERIENCE AT THE START. ITS OK I LIKE IT LIKE THIS ANYWAYS.

OOPS ON THE CAPS AT WORK ON THE SERVER SO IT HAS TO BE CAPS LOCK.

[Kraqa]

update


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02702.jpg
tied into my upper control arm mounts.
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02703.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02704.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02705.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02706.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02707.jpg

[Greg82]

so whats left now?

[Kraqa]

the bendings done. you can have that back. but i need to gusset alot. then remove the cage and weld the wqhole thing up then put it back on weld her down and paint.

then rebuild engin, swap the TF999 tranny, flip and twin stick a d300 t-case and build drive shafts.


then next summer a d60 front and possiibly rear stear.

[Kraqa]

cage update

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02711.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02712.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02713.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02714.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02715.jpg

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02716.jpg

[Poopy]

Now all you need is a plastic slide, and a tire swing!

Everything looks super dope buggy style....except for the crooked tube in this pic...the 3 that you have going horizontally sorta, look kinda, well, bunk. make it a straight horizontal line, and have it line up with the large bend in your main hoop. They arent doing anything structural on that little angle anyways, and the center one is crooked.

Nice progress!

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02714.jpg

[pook]

looking good, but alot of tube doing nothing for strength.

you need to make nodes and triangles.

[C.A.M.E.R.O.N]

looks sweet dude!
i totally dig it.
nice job on the 4 link as well.
i would have done that front stinger a little differantly, but everyone has there own opinion!
keep up the good work!
cheers
Cam

[Dax's Bad ass Jeep]

What are you planning for the front? will it sit level with the tank in there? it looks like the rear is riding a bit high with the buggy leafs.

:welder

[Kraqa]

i'm going to leave the back until i can finish the cage and load it up with all my gear then i'l see where the rear sits.

[Kraqa]

ok i fixed it. let me know (i'm sure you will)


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02717.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02718.jpg

I had to bend it to clear the seats. this is why i went with my original design.


http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02719.jpg



not this is what i want to add. Th red is for the other side of the seat belt(5 point) and the purple is for the UCA brace.

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v280/Kraqa/Cage/DSC02720.jpg

[pook]

the x looks better but you really need to make the upper ends of the x, the bars running above the doors and the bars running back down to the back of the truck all join at 1 point.

one other thing is the way the bars above the door run and the hoop behind the cab is,your going to find its going to be a great place to get caught on trees.

[Poopy]

Much bedder, I would do like this, then you'll be ready to roll on command:

http://www3.telus.net/public/sugab/kraqa.bmp