non matching vins

[crazyass]

i was wondering what the legal impilcations would be if i were to swap my body onto a new frame that has a different vin? the frames are of the same year make and model, only different is the motor. between the two frame.
thanx Brendan

[skidmark]

Not a problem at all. Just let your Autoplan Agent know and if I am correct, they will issue you a new VIN and you are off to the races, so to speak.

[crazyass]

ok thanx, ya i went and got that form today, now to try and get a copy off the regy for the parts truck. DOH!!!!

[kootenaycat]

Correct me if I'm wrong, but you will also have to pass a VI then apply for an assigned VIN. This is what I went through to put a 2wd cab onto a 4x4 frame, and from I understand, it is required anytime a part of the vehicle that contains a VIN is changed. Personally, if the vehicles are exactly the same (4x4, reg cab, long box), I can't see any need to involve ICBC. When is the last time you looked for the serial number on a frame! As long as it's done properly and safely it should be ok. When I do VI's at work, I look for matching VIN's on the dashboard, door or pillar and firewall. As long as these are the same (and look not to be tampered with) and same as the reggy, it gets a check on that part of the inspection. A guy I talked to recently put a newer frame under his pickup and asked the head DOT guy for our area if he needed a VI, and the DOT said not to bother with it!

[CORC]

so you do VI's..
your fired...
What if this person getting his vehicle inspected, stole the rolling frame from a newer vehicle, and is now passing it through a VI, him not knowing about the frame VI, gets passed..
Arent you contributing to the mass's of auto theft,?
Im not trying to be mean in anyway, but all VI's should be checked, Dash/Body/door/frame...

the VI on the frame was put there to deter vehicle theft in my opionion... Please dont take this the wrong way, but if you worked for me and werent checking things properly, whats to say, your skipping other things...

Just my .02c

[kootenaycat]

Can you tell me off the top of your head where the VIN is located on an '86 GMC 4x4 frame? Or a '95 F250, '77 Ramcharger, etc? And if you do happen to know the exact location, what are the chances you will be able to read it? Last time I looked at any older truck frame, there is so much surface rust (normal amount I'm talking about!) that the number would not be readable!

If I should be fired, then you better talk to Rob (the DOT guy I referred to) and ask for his resignation! He's the one who told the guy not to bother with a VI when he swapped frames! You're welcome to come and check out any of my VI's as I'm sure you will be happy with the quality of each and every one of them. I follow the regs, and if it's not safe (steering, suspension, brakes, etc) I don't pass it.

I see your point about the auto theft, but in reality, most frauds involving stolen vehicles are simply placing a VIN and reggy from a legit car on the stolen vehicle. There was a recent case of that near here where a person bought a 2002 Avalanche and shortly afterwards, the RCMP came and collected the vehicle from them and informed them it was stolen from Ontario and had a reggy from the US on it. The people helping auto theft are the body shops, hot rod shops, modifying shops who knowingly buy hot parts from chop shops and use them.

[CORC]

the fired thing was a joke, ok i got bad humor...
i just feel that all numbers should be matched...
Personal opionion,..
And im sure you do quality work when doin the VI's,
but it just scares me that that is what some people actually do...
the Frame VIN is usually on the drivers inner side of the frame below the front door, or on the Front drivers side of a ford near the start of the frame,..
ramcharger im not too sure about, but i think its on the front crossmember,.. i may be wrong im not sure..
When i worked in the autowrecker we had to locate all VINs and submit them to the rcmp.

Clem...

[bow350tie]

You have to scrape the frame with a wire brush to find the number usually...

[skidmark]

There is a legal requirement for you to involve ICBC in this:

Notice of change made in motor vehicle

15 (1) If a change is made in a motor vehicle registered under this Act by

(a) replacing the chassis by another,

(b) replacing the body by another,

(c) changing the type of the motor vehicle for another;

(d) changing the style or colour of the body, or

(e) changing the type of fuel system,

the owner of the motor vehicle must immediately deliver to the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia a notice in writing stating the nature of the change and other particulars the corporation requires.

(2) The last licence issued for the motor vehicle under this Act must be attached to the notice under subsection (1) for surrender to the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia, and any alteration in the amount of the annual licence fee payable for the motor vehicle due to the change must immediately be adjusted by rebate or payment.

(3) The Insurance Corporation of British Columbia must then issue to the owner a new licence for the operation of the motor vehicle, and may require the substitution of new number plates for those last issued for that motor vehicle and the payment of the prescribed fee for them.

New vehicle identification numbers

16 (1) If, with respect to a motor vehicle or trailer, any of the following circumstances exist, the owner of the motor vehicle or trailer must immediately apply to the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia for a new vehicle identification number for the motor vehicle or trailer:

(a) the vehicle identification number on a motor vehicle or trailer has become illegible or has been removed or obliterated;

(b) a vehicle identification number is not the same as any other vehicle identification number on the motor vehicle or trailer;

(c) the motor vehicle or trailer does not have a vehicle identification number.

(2) On being satisfied that the applicant is the lawful owner of the motor vehicle or trailer, the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia may assign a new vehicle identification number to it, and the owner must then cause the number so assigned, with the initials "B.C." to indicate British Columbia, and the date of the assignment of the number to be applied by a method designated by the corporation on the part or parts of the motor vehicle or trailer designated by the corporation.

(3) If the Insurance Corporation of British Columbia is satisfied that a new vehicle identification number has been assigned to and applied to a motor vehicle or trailer under this section, the corporation must cause the new number to be inserted in the registration record and licence of the motor vehicle or trailer.

Finding mismatched VIN's on a vehicle is grounds to seize it as possibly stolen and then holding onto it until everything is shown to be proper. Not the kind of inconvenience you would appreciate happening to you.

[fliptuner]

Here's one, who installs the new VIN's?

[skidmark]

I understood when I inquired that it didn't matter who installed it, as long as it was installed in the place and manner designated by ICBC.

[crazyass]

well i have been doing my homework now and know what i have to do. any disinated inpesection places will do it. in fact on the form for a bc vin it asked the shop you are going to use, so the new vin tags can be sent to that shop.

[kootenaycat]

CORC, no offense taken! Thanks for the tips on the frame VIN locations. Most of the VI's I do are Out of Province on unibody cars, so it is rare to have to look for a VIN on a frame. I know what you mean about Techs doing half a$$ work and taking money under the table to pass junk. Look at the failure rate of the taxis on BCTV's report a few weeks ago. I've said it before and will repeat it, my wife and daughter are on the road every day, and the thought of a POS being on the same highway as them scares the crap out of me!

Fliptuner, I was told that the Tech doing the VI had to install the assigned VIN plate, that is why ICBC will ask which facility is doing the VI and will mail it there. In my case, it was attached to the cab driver's side pillar by the striker post.

[BlazerGirl]

I had to get a BC VIN # for my Rabbit, because at the time of insurance we could only find 1 VIN # and you have to have 2 matching on the vehicle to register or insure it.

If you get the BC VIN# get it mailed to you. Often, and this happened to me, they send out the VIN# to the shop and they just toss it. Or use it on something else. When you order it, I think its $25 and you fill out a form as to why you need it. You can get this from an insurance plan broker.

The installation places are Licensed Shops, the Licensed mechanic has to install it and i believe send a letter of confirmation back to them.

I had it sent to my ex's shop and he installed it for me, after the other shop failed twice to supply the VIN once it was sent to them. (His shop information is listed in my signature to anyone who may want him to do it, or may want to email him for more information).

I'm sure I can dig up the papers of the person to contact whom issues the BC VIN#'s. Let me know ;)



Originally posted by crazyass
well i have been doing my homework now and know what i have to do. any disinated inpesection places will do it. in fact on the form for a bc vin it asked the shop you are going to use, so the new vin tags can be sent to that shop.

[crazyass]

ya i already have the person in mind i'm going to get it done by, his a buddy of my of the guys i work with at my shop. who works at a dealer down the street who is a inspection shop, this would be even easyer if my shop was a inspection facility. but what can you do eh.
Brendan

[half-crack]

Originally posted by BlazerGirl
I had to get a BC VIN # for my Rabbit, because at the time of insurance we could only find 1 VIN # and you have to have 2 matching on the vehicle to register or insure it.

If you get the BC VIN# get it mailed to you. Often, and this happened to me, they send out the VIN# to the shop and they just toss it. Or use it on something else. When you order it, I think its $25 and you fill out a form as to why you need it. You can get this from an insurance plan broker.

The installation places are Licensed Shops, the Licensed confirmation back to them.

I had it sent to my ex's shop and he installed it for me, after the other shop failed twice to supply the VIN once it was sent to them. (His shop information is listed in my signature to anyone who may want him to do it, or may want to email him for more information).

I'm sure I can dig up the papers of the person to contact whom issues the BC VIN#'s. Let me know ;)


When ICBC mailed you a vin tag(or is it a sticker?) was it the same number as the existing one that was on your Rabbit and where is the shop required to attach it ? In the same spot it would've been originally.? I only have one Vin because the moron before me thought it be ok to hack out the metal plaque on the kick panel to replace some rusty metal:(

[BlazerGirl]

The BC VIN# will get mailed to the shop that you choose. I had it mailed to me boyfriend-at-the-times shop and he put it on.

The BC VIN# does not match your original vin but it is what your vechicle would be logged in the system as after. Its a peice of tin, that sticks and is riveted onto your door frame.


IF you want my-ex to put the BC Vin on it, and have it mailed to a shop you can trust, he can do that for you. Just click on the mechanical services link Below and email him about it.

You would have to go to the Insurance broker and get the forms to fill out. Stating what shop you want it mailed to.




This is from ICBC.com

BC Assigned VIN Program (http://www.icbc.com/Inside_ICBC/Service_Agreement.pdf#Page=16)

• Whenever a vehicle’s primary vehicle identifier, the VIN becomes damaged or otherwise requires replacement, a new VIN is created for the vehicle. The BC Assigned VIN is attached to the vehicle and the vehicle ownership records are updated.

• Motor Vehicle Act
and Regulations


To Contact Vehicle Registration Support, please call 604-661-6638
(open monday - Saturday!) 9-5. Bob Gillis was great help to me.

[Mtber]

ok, I just did this exact thing, I put my 78 body (2WD,1/2 ton) P/U on my 76 Chassis(4x4,1/2 ton), but I built the chassis completely as a 1 ton. I applied to ICBC for an assigned VIN ($25.00) and the mechanic at the registered VI facility of my choice, removed the VIN plate from the door and rivited the new one on with special rivets(new # couriored by ICBC) this cost $85.00 including VI.
the beauty is, there are no GVW ratings on the new VIN plate, just a #, so I called several weigh scales and spoke with inspectors and they said, only the insurance papers would show the ratings (set by myself) so 5001KG naturally :-)
The inspector said the only way they could dispute that was if the vehicle LOOKED grossly overloaded. Since I built it to carry a camper, this won't happen. Also to cover my ass, I went to the weigh scale and got an official new NET weight document (free) to take to an autoplan to change, so my vehicle is now fully legit, no aircare, and after changing the emblems to K30, its a 1 ton!

[kootenaycat]

What is the minimum GVW to avoid aircare? Not that I have to worry about it in my part of the province, just curious!

['95XJ]

5001 kg

[Cruiser Guy]

I'd like some confirmation on the VIN number issue. We are restoring a vehicle in which all the VIN numbers match, however as part of the restoration the engine is being swapped with a different one (gas to diesel) and in doing so the VIN in the engine bay will be hidden by the battery box. Do I move it to a location where it is visible (makes sense to me) or do I leave it where it cannot be seen (I can't see the point in doing that)? Also, the painter has painted over the VIN plate on the door jamb (we have cleaned it enough to make the numbers visible).
This is currently registered out of province but we have title from the jurisdiction where it is registered.
What is the correct procedure to register this vehicle in B.C. once we have completed the restoration?

[Greg_B]

Here is some reading that may help answer your questions.

hth's

gb

http://www.icbc.com/Inside_ICBC/Service_Agreement.pdf

http://www.vccc.com/modified_vehicle_update.htm

http://www.island.net/~cihp/modify.html#mandatory

http://www.sva.bc.ca/regist.htm

[Dan]

I can find no VIN number on my 1969 Ford F100 frame, I have a VIN riveted to the door, with rusted rivets, because the door was replaced at one time, and can't find a VIN anywhere else on the cab or firewall.

I had a Vehicle Inpection in 1994 when I put my 4wd frame under it and passed with no problems.

Weird huh?

[kootenaycat]

I would also like to know where the factory stamps the VIN on the frame. Never seen one yet!

[EXCLUSIVE 4X4]

Most Fords are on the passenger side top frame rail NOT on the drives side as Corc says.
Look on the top of the frame from the cab forward.
After you find one it gets easier.