Eagle Ridge Key Program News!

[lars]

I've been asked to post the following:


After several meetings with the City of Coquitlam, the ERKP is getting close to becoming a reality, but a small number of issues still remain. The main issue being addressed at this time, is the number of keys to be initially released. While a large number of people (well over 100) have shown interest in acquiring keys, an even greater issue is funding for this project. To acquire funds for the purchase of locks, keys, stickers, and signage ? and because only a limited number of keys will be available, those wishing to be first in line to attain keys, will be allowed to pre-purchase their keys and stickers by cheque. Since the ERKP has not yet reached final approval from the City, these cheques will not be cashed until such time has passed, and a key is available for the cheque issuer, within 14 days.



I will be pushing the City to approve the initial sale of 48 keys and stickers, then 4 every month afterwards. The costs for the keys and stickers will be: $30 for an L3; and $20 for L2 and L1. L3?s will be given priority. Each sticker will be dated for 2 years, after which each sticker vehicle will have to be spot checked for fluid leaks bi-annually. All funding information is available on the ERKP web site (hosted temporarily at http://members.shaw.ca/rswieczyk/ - best viewed on high speed internet).



The web site, and it?s information is still in final development, please also post any comments to erkpxo@yahoo.com, as well as any comments regarding the ERKP, it?s process, or content ? and support is always welcome for this project. Before making comments on the label, please keep in mind, this program will be put forth to other municipalities as well, if this one succeeds.



Thank you,



Rafael.





...lars

[kissmyaxle]

this is just RAD.

one question (i've already filled in my application and i'm writing the cheque now..it's one of my favorite trails - 5 mins from home!)

do i HAVE to be a member of a 4WD club? i'll join 4WDABC just so i can get my sticker..(besides the other benefits..:D)

[4-runnin]

Who do the cheques get made out to and where should I mail it? Can I even write a cheque at this point in time or should I wait?

[wenwen]

where do you go to fill out these forums??? just the city or what?

[lars]

There's an email address in the post. I don't know any more than what I posted.

...lars

[4-runnin]

I would love to send this cheque to someone......;)

[LocashMikey]

Thank for the info
Mike:D

[lars]

So, while Raf was putting a LOT of time and effort into starting the key program and he was so close to going live...some ******* just cut down the friggin' gate!!

He's not sure if that has effectively killed negotations with the city but I'll keep you posted.

I am so pissed-off right now.

If you know ANYONE who is cutting locks or gates, you are part of the problem if you don't report them.

...lars

[diesel boy]

ok so they know we are not all @#$% heads why dont we get some vollunteers together and we will be the gate I'm willing to pull first shift if I have someone with me

[diesel boy]

well me and one of the other guys in the club are on our way up there to take a look at the damage we will let you know whats up

[G.J.T.J]

Sorry, this is just to coincidental for me. We finally get a key program established, and the night after it is announced this sh!t happens. WTF !! Either i'm getting paranoid, or this is just bad timing.

[LocashMikey]

Ok now that piss me off. I was looking forward to wheeling up there.
:angry :angry

[diesel boy]

well guys sure as @#$% the gate is down.it was cut with a torch,and wouldnt you know it there were 2 trucks up there.2 kids and one older guy. the kids were stuck on the first obstacle and the older guy was sittin in his truck smoking a joint. when we walked up the kids ran thinking we were cops ontill the older guy said we were ok.the older guy says to us isnt this great and we replied no and told him why,I guess he figured shortly after that we werent cool and left but not before we got a plate number.my firts instinct was to leave the kids up there and phone the cops but they just got ditched by the guy who probablly convinced them to go up,so we gave them a hand cuz the didnt have a clue what to do and we have that plate number as well.

[LocashMikey]

Sweet good call on going up there. hopefuly some one will have to pay for the gate and not f*** up the work that was put in to the key program.:)

[diesel boy]

yea but it wasnt them who cut or at least they didnt cut it then they didnt have a anything to cut it with. Dose anyone know when it was cut? I was up hiking the trail an Sat and it was still up

[LocashMikey]

It might not have been them but its a start to stoping this.

[kissmyaxle]

I AM SEVERELY PISSED

THAT IS JUST ****

TOTAL ****.

stupid stupid stupid!!!!!

[kissmyaxle]

i bet it's not even wheelers probably just the city that doesn't want to deal with a special interest group like us, and justifying their point by chopping it down.

who killed JFK? who CHOPPED DOWN THE EAGLE RIDGE GATE?


same **** man..

[EBES]

Is most of the gate still up there cause a few of us could always go up and reattach it.

[diesel boy]

the uprights on either side are still standing but thats it

[JimmyGirlS15]

I am just SO frustrated with these people ! ! !

I'm sure they'll get caught for this one, there are Camera's up @ the E.R. Gate !

i lived up around there most of my life, and had been waiting for an opertunity to one day wheel my truck (when it's ready) up there. I Would really still like to do that one day...

[kissmyaxle]

the best part about eagle is that the first obstacle traps almost any stock truck on all those stumps and slippery rocks and mud.


seen many a ranger and s10 get stuck there!

the best was the ranger with the wooden c-clips so he could back down - now HIS mullet was PROUD..

[Jordan]

Originally posted by EBES
Is most of the gate still up there cause a few of us could always go up and reattach it.

That would get the unionized city workers all worked up. The city would not want that.

[Tim]

So maybe those guys didn't cut the gate but if it was up Staurday then how did they know the gate was down to go up there in the first place.

[diesel boy]

well I found out about it here and they were ther when I got there however they said they had made it to the lookout . I dont know what time the news was posted they may ahve had time to read it and go up for a little night wheelen.Word travels fast

[Dan Martz]

Brendan And I just went to check it out. Ya the two posts are still there but the gate is gone!! That was a big gate. Im now thinking it could have been the city. You would need a pretty big rig to haul that gate away.

Dan

[LocashMikey]

If thats the case mybe we should find out. I'm willing to do the calling to find out if was them or not but who would I call to find out? :confused2

[kissmyaxle]

i hope it was the city, and that maybe they were just fixing previous vandalism or replacing something etc.

that way everything would MAKE SENSE, we'd all still get our keys and i can go apologize to the 20 people i've flamed in the past 36 hours. :rolleyes:

[A Girls Toy]

That would be great if it was the city, but now that everyone knows the gate is gone I wonder how many people have gone for a quick ride up there. Well I hope they realize the city could also come by and put a gate back up anytime and then they would be stuck up there, try and explain that to the cops.:D

[LocashMikey]

Was there yesterday, a vandal cut the gate down. What happens next, we'll have to wait. Idiot, didn't help the cuase much.

R.

That is what I have found out from a guy thats is the ERKP XO for the area. All I have to say is F***en Pricks that have done this should be shot.:angry

[Ulysse]

Has there been any "official" reaction by the City with respect to this?

Wes, Raf – Has the city indicated that this is a deal breaker, or are they still open to moving forward with the ERKP?

[diesel boy]

I just got off the phone with Raf and he hasnt heard anything as of yet, however he has a meeting on thursday and will update us then

[Wes Rempel]

Originally posted by Ulysse


Wes, Raf – Has the city indicated that this is a deal breaker, or are they still open to moving forward with the ERKP?

I started a new job last week, so I have not had much time to do anything during the week. I even have to go into work tomorrow (Sat), as we are that busy.

Once I get settled in, I will have more time to get back into the swing of things. The next few weeks, I will be just working.

Most of my attention lately has been into the Blue Mt and TFL 26 stuff that has been going on (if you have been following the 4WDABC notifications).

Wes

[Ulysse]

Wes & Raf, keep up the good work... obviously these are tough times form all points of view and I'm sure I speak for all, in thanking you guys for your collective perseverance to the tasks at hand.

I'm sure you guys are well versed in civil politics, so I'm sure this isn't news to you, but somehow I feel that all is not lost in this case... I could be 100% wrong on this, but if this was a "deal breaker" then I'm sure we would have heard from the City by now... Obviously I would try to focus on why the ERKP should proceed, and hopefully form that you can find some common ground with the City from which to negotiate something mutual for all parties concerned...

[wenwen]

well does anyone know if new and improved gate is up yet????? any updates????

[wenwen]

i just went up their to take dog for a walk on way back down noticed city worker taking my plate number down off my sami... i was parked on the cement still.. i couldn't get down fast enough to talk to him. anyway i'm glad they have a new gate up and hope we catch that jackass.... hopefully the key program will still be a success

[Dan Martz]

Originally posted by wenwen
hope we catch that jackass....

Dude, Its the same gate now just improved. Obviously the city cut it off, took it to a fab shop and re-built it stronger. So when we get our keys knowone will be able to break the lock:)

[warren]

can anyone confirm this last post, i sure hope that you are right

[LocashMikey]

I'm trying to get an update on what is happening I'll let you all know if I find out

[Wes Rempel]

The city did not cut the gate down. It was a vandal. I spoke with Raf a little while ago and he confirmed it was a vandal when he spoke with the city.

Wes

[diesel boy]

hey wes last time I spoke to Raf I think he said his next meeting is on the 14th is that right

[Tim]

Does anyone know the status of Eagle Ridge. I keep checking my account to see if my check went through.

Tim

[wascobi]

are all the L2's spoken for?

[Jarett]

I would say. just send in an application. The first set is probably all spoken for, but they are going to be realeasing more each month, so they are first come first serve. I have not heard yet if the program is still going orward since the gate was vandalized last time(torn down), but as far as I know none of your cheques will be cashed unless the program actually starts and you are aproved to get a key.

[crazyguy]

the part that really sucks about this kinda stuff is when it cause's good people, that were fighting to keep areas open for the yahoo's that did this, to quit the sport. yes thats right, recently I found out that somebody I know that was actively working working on keeping land open and working on the key program has decided to quit the sport of 4wheeling because of the morons that have no respect for what other people are trying to or what they are doing by vandalizing gates, public, and private lands

[mudmunky]

that sucks that the gate was cut down. got a question. what does "L3" etc. mean. is that referring to the number of trails you can access??

[Jarett]

Taken from here: http://members.shaw.ca/rswieczyk/ERKP.htm


3. Hierarchy Overview with Requirements (accumulative)
1. GA – General Admission

i. Garbage Bag

ii. Spare tire or other means of tire replacement or repair and inflation

iii. No Visible Fluid Leaks, all fluid covers and caps in place

iv. Must be accompanied by one or more Responsible L1 or L2 Vehicle

2. L1 – Personal Key access

i. Permanently Mounted Fire Extinguisher

ii. Cellular phone or CB Radio

iii. Flashlight & Field Lamp

iv. Basic Compliment of Tools

v. Visible ERKP Sticker

3. L2 – Group Key access

i. Locker or Winch

ii. Field Garbage Bag when traveling with an Group

4. L3 – Key distribution

i. Head of a registered 4x4 oriented club or organization.

5. XO – Executive Officer

i. Elected representative of the ERKP, and approved by the City of Coquitlam

1. Must be approved by a majority of equally weighed L3 members

4. Administration
1. Performed by L3 & XO Levels
5. Responsibilities
1. L1 is responsible for one’s own actions, and that of up to one GA Vehicle when traveling in a Group
2. L2 is responsible for one’s own actions, and that of up to three GA Vehicles when traveling in a Group
3. L3 is responsible for one’s own actions, the finance of the said ER Key Program, administration, and the management of keys and stickers of the said ER Key Program
4. XO is responsible for the administration of the ER Key Program, maps, web maintenance, and settlement of Disputes between all valid participants of the ER Key Program.
5. The City of Coquitlam, can cancel the ER Key Program at any time, with no obligations to any participants of the ER Key Program.

[mudmunky]

great. thanks for the info. what trails does this program apply to? everything thats locked up?

[Jarett]

Right now it will noly apply to Eagle Ridge. This is the first program if this sort(to my knowledge) to be proposed and schedualed to start. If it works, we hope to be able to have similar programs for other areas that have been shut down or are being threatened to be shut down.

[mudmunky]

ok. its a really good idea if everyone keeps up a certain amount of respect for the municipal land and the privilege of using the trails. went up exploring past stave mud pits and was dissapointed that there were so many closed roads. found a couple that i could go up for a bit though. thanks for the info:cool:

[G.J.T.J]

Go to the Mission forestry office (Dewdney trunk and Stave lake st), and you can "buy" a key to those locked gates. A lot of those gates restrict access to 2wd roads that end in 2 minutes, if your there, grab one of there FSR maps as well.

[mudmunky]

Go to the Mission forestry office (Dewdney trunk and Stave lake st), and you can "buy" a key to those locked gates. A lot of those gates restrict access to 2wd roads that end in 2 minutes, if your there, grab one of there FSR maps as well

thats great! thanks for the info. so the roads just end? or are there trails that you can go down if you have 4wd?

[G.J.T.J]

a lot just end at a clearing (slag heap, log sort), i really recommend the map, so you can judge for yourself whats worth purchasing a key for (Kearsley creek rd, Rockwell rd, etc).

[mudmunky]

gotcha. thanks alot:D
Cheers!:beer

[Jarett]

Most gates have keys available for them. They cost you $40 to get a key for 2-3 months, and when you return the key, you get $30 back. Many of the gates even have signs posted next to them with a phone number you can call to find out where you have to go to get a key. Usually it is the local Forrestry office.

The gates are there to protect loggin equipment from vandalism, and to stop the dumping and burning stollen cars. The fee is not intended to make them money, just help mantain the gates.

[swamp monster]

Originally posted by G.J.T.J
a lot just end at a clearing (slag heap, log sort), i really recommend the map, so you can judge for yourself whats worth purchasing a key for (Kearsley creek rd, Rockwell rd, etc).

sorry to jump in here but which key{s) have you personally found worth 'buying' ? Would save me some me some money thanks. Any of those locked roads go to a lake that would be suitable to take the kids camping-swimming? Email me if u don't want to post thanks.

[G.J.T.J]

You got it!

How could i say no to a guy who quotes Iron Maiden in his sig.:D :mullet

[swamp monster]

Sorry man if you already emailed me could you re-try. my email wasn't updated it is now. Thanks. :D

[G.J.T.J]

Should go now.

[mudmunky]

where exactly is eagle ridge? where would i pick up an FSR map in the Ridge? sounds a lot like the program that they already have:confused: ....(buy a key, get access to the gated trails....????)

[G.J.T.J]

I'm not sure i understand your post, Eagle Ridge is in Coquitlam, Eagle Mts. gates are Hydro controlled. The FSR maps were for Mission.

I hope that makes sense:beer

[mudmunky]

sorry, i wasn't clear in that last post. Can i get Forest Service Road maps for all of BC? or is it just limited to certain municipalities? Is there a way to get them in Maple Ridge? Can't people go and buy keys already (for stave lake area)? Is the Eagle Ridge Key program the same as what is at stave? I'm not 100% clear on the details...................:soso
thanks for the info!

[G.J.T.J]

There is no point in buying FSR maps for anywhere except Mission (or outside the GVRD). Backroad mapbooks are good, but the Eagle key program is municipal.

If you dont own "Mussio's Backroad Mapbook SW B.C" you should get it. (Chapters $17)

[Jarett]

Originally posted by mudmunky
where exactly is eagle ridge? where would i pick up an FSR map in the Ridge? sounds a lot like the program that they already have:confused: ....(buy a key, get access to the gated trails....????)

No the Eagle Ridge key program is not like the others. The gate up Eagle ridge is not a forrestry gate(It's a city gate), so not anyone can get a key for it. With forrestry gates, all you have to do is go to the local forrestry office, and buy a key for gates that have them available. With the Eagle Ridge program, your truck will have to pass all the requirements listed in the program, and there will be restrictions on the access allowed.

With a little luck, we will be able to apply similar key programs to other gates and get trails opened to us again that have been previously closed(Blue Mtn, hut Lakes,....) once this one has started and proven to work.

[Buckin Bronco]

What is the current status of the key program???

[GarMonster]

Hello! I just found this site today and wanted to just introduce myself. After a number of years of doing the mini-van family thing, I just got myself into a '94 F350 quad cab 4x4 and want to go up Eagle.
I used to cruise Eagle almost daily in a little sh*t box Nissan, until I destroyed it and ended up in a series of crappy cars and vans!

I'm still not sure after reading these posts if ANYONE has a key yet, but if anyone does I'd like to check out the old stomping grounds! :beer

[Jarett]

Sorry, but there are no keys out there yet. Last I heard(A couple weeks ago), it is still being worked on, and sounds like it will be going through, but you know how slow gov decisions can be. If you are interrested in getting a key when the program starts, you can apply for one now by going to http://members.shaw.ca/rswieczyk/Home_files/Hf26.htm

[mudmunky]

is the wheeling at eagle ridge very good? how hardcore is it? I've never heard anyone talk about it before:confused:

[Jarett]

It used to be real easy stolen cars were being taken up there), but it has gotten harder, and was starting to become quite fun just before it was closed.

[ld50]

I still don`t understand the process. Who is this guy we are sending cheques too?

The site seems a little inconclusive to me, not descriptive enough. maybe I`m just too sleepy..

[GarMonster]

I think it's bull-sh**! Honestly, I can see why *SOME* people cut down gates! The wizard who is in 'charge' of this area is not the sharpest knife in the drawer in my opinion! I drive up about every two weeks to see if there has been any trail activity, but see garbage and fire pits every time on this side of the gate. The problem there is NOT 4x4'ers. It's fricken local ya-hoo's partying. Why we (the people who have been 4x4ing there since highschool 20 years ago) can not use this land because of OTHERS NOT related to 4x4ing is beond me! The territory is beautifull!

(don't know if the link will work, but this is a panoramic view from the top, 16 years ago.)

http://lifeofdebauchery.com/forum/download.php?id=2348

[Wes Rempel]

The city realizes and acknowledges your concerns. They will be taking measures later this summer to remidy them.

Wes

[diesel boy]

lets not try to shirk all responsabilaty,I have hiked that trail a fdew times in the last couple of months and let me tell you the amount of garbage at the bottom of the look out disguting.there are also bits and peices of peopls trucks along the trail.For the most part the garbage at the trail head is contractor garbage I know this because aour club did a clean up at E.R. a while ago. since we did our clean up there are new truckparts left behind on the trail and lots of new tire tracks,so some of the blame does have to go to the 4x4 comunity

[diesel boy]

and to whoever it was that stole their daddys key to the er gate your a dick if your going to go up there at least clean up after yourself,there are people really working hard to get access to the trail and your actions could screw up everybodys chances of wheeling up there

[GarMonster]

Phhhhht! No kiddin! ...Let me tell you, I'd be more than willing to guarantee that I take out more than I bring in EVERY time I go there IF I could use a key.



diesel boy, I suppose you are right about the garbage on the trail and @ the lookout. I just haven't been up there in a LONG time. Sign me up for the first clean up anyways.

[BlameCanada]

Originally posted by mudmunky
is the wheeling at eagle ridge very good? how hardcore is it? I've never heard anyone talk about it before:confused: Not hardcore at all, IMO.

I've gone top to bottom in 2wd, in low range before, in my stock CJ-7, with open diffs. However, there are some more difficult paths along the main road up, which allow for some more challenging navigating.

On the other hand, some people have managed to roll themselves, and a fair amount of eurosion has made for some more difficult terrain to be encountered since I ran it last, so the challenging routes will definately require some 4wd, and a little bit of technique.

If it ever opens up, it's definately a half day's worth of adventure and fun.

[Old Metal]

are keys out already or are they in the process of coming out??

[Wes Rempel]

No, supposed to hear shortly about what is up though.

Wes

[diesel boy]

I have been attending some of the town council meetings and reading minutes of the ones I have not been to and I have not heard any mention of Eagle ridge

[showoff]

Originally posted by GarMonster
I think it's bull-sh**! Honestly, I can see why *SOME* people cut down gates! The wizard who is in 'charge' of this area is not the sharpest knife in the drawer in my opinion! I drive up about every two weeks to see if there has been any trail activity, but see garbage and fire pits every time on this side of the gate. The problem there is NOT 4x4'ers. It's fricken local ya-hoo's partying. Why we (the people who have been 4x4ing there since highschool 20 years ago) can not use this land because of OTHERS NOT related to 4x4ing is beond me! The territory is beautifull!

(don't know if the link will work, but this is a panoramic view from the top, 16 years ago.)

http://lifeofdebauchery.com/forum/download.php?id=2348
ya garmonster some of the stuff on that link is sick:(

[90runner]

Hey I was up there on the 1st of Jan and the gate was open?????

[Jarett]

Yes, it is open and we are allowed to go up. The city has decided to leave the gate open during non-fire season, but will close it during fire season (summer). This is what is hapening this winter at least. Who knows what will hapen next year. It all depends on how much garbage gets dumped by irresponsible people.

[LocashMikey]

Sweet Do you have any idea when they will close it? Like May or June? or is it still undesided?

[Casper]

I've lived in the area for years, and hear people talk about it all the time. But, to this day, I still don't even have a clue as to WHERE the access point is!

Anyone wanna help me out on this one?

[Shaker666]

That's half the fun... finding the access point!

[Casper]

Originally posted by Jarett
Yes, it is open and we are allowed to go up. The city has decided to leave the gate open during non-fire season, but will close it during fire season (summer). This is what is hapening this winter at least. Who knows what will hapen next year. It all depends on how much garbage gets dumped by irresponsible people.

Potential cleanup in the works before next fire season? This year's Sumas & Stave? Might help sway the politicians by showing responsibility.

[diesel boy]

we have has a meeting with the town councel sugesting just that.The mayer thanked us for our past eagle ridge cleenup and then said that he still wouldnt open the gate.He explained that the land is the provincial governments responsabilaty, however if we were to help them have the land turned into a city park then he would let us in(yeah right).after the meeting we had with town council my impression is that the city is in a pissing match with forestry over the land and that the gate is the citys little f#@k you to the provincial government.

[Mertin]

so the gate is open as in anyone can go there? or is it open for the program?

[chevys suck]

now the gate is open to all but when it is closed in the fire season will we still be able to get in with a key ?

[Jarett]

nope. They threw out the key program.

[chevys suck]

damn that really sucks!!:angry :(

[Jarett]

Originally posted by chevys suck
damn that really sucks!!:angry :(

Not entirely. Now we don't have the hasstle of running the program and we still get access to Eagle Ridge.

the city will only be closing it when it is high fire danger. That's pretty reasonable to me.

[LocashMikey]

Ya but the summer is the best time to go. You can go top less wheel untill 9 at night. But I'll take what I can get.

[Jarett]

Yeah it would be nice to have access all summer, and most of us are responsible enough to realize the fire risks, and minimize them when wheeling, but there is the stupid factor out there that don't seem to care. At least being closed during high fire season will help ensure it is there for our future.

[LocashMikey]

Originally posted by Jarett
Yeah it would be nice to have access all summer, and most of us are responsible enough to realize the fire risks, and minimize them when wheeling, but there is the stupid factor out there that don't seem to care. At least being closed during high fire season will help ensure it is there for our future.
Ya True enough

[toyotaly chad]

Ok , Wes came out to our clubs Feb 10th 2004 meeting and stated that Egale Ridge would be open indefinately but they have installed a new even bigger gate and have all so dug 14' trenches that no one can get through so whats the deal our do you guys even know?.

Thanks Chad.

[Wes Rempel]

There have been changes in the city. New people doing new jobs. Communication between departments is not that great at the moment.

Lots of BS. The Coquitlam Crawlers are sorting though it.

Wes

[diesel boy]

we have been in touch with the city as well as forestry,what we have learned is that there is a new fire cheif and he wants the gate to be closed for good. We will continue to talk to the city as well as appear before town council again.the city does have veary good reasons for puting a gate ie. vandalisim and dumping.from what I understand the last key progra was dropped de to the fact that it was labour intensive and complicated so one of the things we may look at doing is a reworked key program.We will keep you all up to date in regards to the gate as well as our proposed clean up

[LocashMikey]

Thanks for keeping us informed and doing a great job.

['95XJ]

Originally posted by LocashMikey
Thanks for keeping us informed and doing a great job.

:metoo

[Zukem]

What is the latest new? I went up there today and the gate was locked..

My buddy told me he went last weekend and it was open.

Any one know?

Thanks

Jeff

[Shaker666]

I thought the govt closes the gates approaching fire season... sounds a bit early?

[lars]

The Eagle Ridge key program died on the vine. IIRC the city turned down the proposal.

...lars

[Jarett]

Originally posted by lars
The Eagle Ridge key program died on the vine. IIRC the city turned down the proposal.

...lars

Lars, Can you remove the sticky from this post? Since the key program is over, and teh city refuses to listen to us any more, there is really no point in keeping this here.

[miller]

x2 I just read this and it makes me sick. I think the less known about it the better. I never realized the history behind ER.