Allan Dwayne Schoenborn punishment ideas?

[suzuki2stroker]

What punishment does Allan Dwayne Schoenborn deserve?

****ing siko

http://a123.g.akamai.net/f/123/12465/1d/media.canada.com/51df8522-e0a5-44bf-ad15-5fc7d54dfa34/schoenborn.jpg

[SizzleChest]

eye for an eye

[westcoaster]

eye for an eye


That would be far too easy on him.

[500grhollowpoint]

Right now they are not sure he did it. But if he did he will walk.....Mental problems. If he did it I hope he gets life. And @$$ raped every day.

[230]

who?

[westcoaster]

who?

The guy pictured above is accused of killing his three kids in Merritt. They were from five to ten years old....

Those of us that have kids of that age know they are only capable of unconditional love.

[Moose good]

The responses here are exactly the reason it would be interesting to get inside his head...what makes someone (apparently) do something so abhorrent ?

Don't get me wrong, the guy's probably guilty as hell and we don't have any severe enough punishment options for that - but still...what causes that complete disconnection from what is right ? Parents: imagine for a second that you're having the sh*ttiest spell imaginable and your life is in the tank, things are tough with the significant other, you lost your job, and your dog just died - a really hard time or a typical country song, lol.

With that mood in mind, now imagine looking at a pic of your family, especially the faces of your children.
Now, what does it take to make you kill them ? That same family that gives you an anchor and is not consciously capable of contributing to your problems...

Shooting someone is (I imagine) easier to rationalize, especially given the desensitization from hollywood regarding the act of aiming any weapon at someone. Stabbing seems much more personal, so to do that to your own kids ?...makes me nauseous just to think about it.
If the kids weren't his biologically, then at least I could see a precedent in nature however unjustified it is.

Sure, there are many cases of a parent wanting to make their estranged spouse suffer as much as possible for example. That typically becomes a murder/suicide though. I would expect the reasoning is something along the lines of "I've decided that I'm going to be dead at the end of this anyway, so nothing I do matters". But to kill them in such an intimate way and then run (presumably with the thought of escape rather than 'suicide by cop') ?

Sure it's all good to wish him a long painful death, but what about the next one ? Or the one you didn't catch but could have prevented because your study of this guy could have given you some red flags to look for ? To clarify: I am in favour of the death penalty, but I'm also in favour of dealing with issues and not just their symptoms.


I don't mean to sound heartless about this family's tragic events but I am extremely thankful that it's far enough removed from me that maybe I can learn something from introspection and the viewpoints of others. My condolences do go to the surviving mother (who found the kids) and all of the extended family and friends.

[waltman]

The guy pictured above is accused of killing his three kids in Merritt. They were from five to ten years old....

Those of us that have kids of that age know they are only capable of unconditional love.

He didn't just kill them, he butchered them.

I think the guy drove up to one of the many many lakes nearby and offed himself. I can't see him not offing himself. Shoot, if my kids even died accidently but due to my neglegance, I think the thought of suicide would certainly be there. What this guy did would haunt him for life and it is the known guilt that will cause this f*ckhead to kill himself. I just hope he screws it up and suffers for a long time before he finally dies.

[Fredzepplen]

St Vitus Dance.

[230]

who?



just heard late last night then again this morning.I have kids and i think his suicide is a good possibility.They were saying he may be bipolar and eventually he would realized what he did if not imediatly.

[Tmax]

LOL

what country are we in? what happened to inocent till proven guilty?

clearly the guy is mentaly sick. i personaly feel sad for him rather than wanting to hang him. he needs help.

[waltman]

LOL

what country are we in? what happened to inocent till proven guilty?

clearly the guy is mentaly sick. i personaly feel sad for him rather than wanting to hang him. he needs help.

OK, lets convict him first then hang him. I don't care how crazy he or anybody is. If you slaughter children you should die. A defective brain is no excuse for murder IMO.

[Moose good]

A defective brain is no excuse for murder IMO.True, but it can explain it.

Tmax, I think people are just venting anger against whoever did this. The RCMP gave the media an undated photo and the media gave the photo to the public as a target for that anger. I will bet that, when he's apprehended, it wasn't the photo that helped his capture. How about a recent ATM photo maybe ? I'm sure the family could also provide less sinister or less deranged-looking photos. You are right though, a civilized mind has to remain open in a case like this.

[mabb]

We need to be civilized and compassionate about this.
If he's found guilty, execute him as quickly and painlessly as possible.
Whatever demons are driving his mind, he can't be happy living knowing he murdered his own kids. Put him out of his, and our, misery.
Really, there's no hope for these people who are so far gone mentally or so brutally violent. It's a waste of resources keeping them alive at the public expense. It isn't fair to them to force them to live confined and tortured by their own minds for years. It isn't fair to other prisoners to be locked up with habitual dangerous offenders. It certainly isn't fair to society to make them foot the bill, or worse, suffer the consequences of turning one of these monsters loose.
There's nothing immoral or wrong about a death penalty. Over-all, it's more humane than the alternative. A good sleeping pill followed by a healthy dose of curarie.

[Cratcher]

ive seen first hand the extremes of a person who suffers from bi-polar disorder, and this particular individual (my friend) has a very bad case of it. I have seen it as it's worst and I have even been apart of his arrest at one point because he was getting to far gone (no sleep for a month and halucinating). But even after seeing him at his worst and it was bad let me tell you...I know that he would not and could not hurt a fly.

On the other hand, our friend here kills his family. i would think he would be capable of such an act even without being manic. . . it's of his nature. That is a sad thing to say however but we must protect the flock, and kull the ones who are a danger to the rest. . . and unfortunatly his own kids.

I believe that man should be punished if in fact he is the killer, and he earned death for his act's. My friend earned 3 months in Riverview and treatment for his problems, he knows in the future things will get out of hand again, but his family and friends are there for him and know the symptoms. Mr Allen is not the first or the last person to do something like this and it really can be avoided. . .

my 2 cents

[suzuki2stroker]

LOL

what country are we in? what happened to inocent till proven guilty? .

sorry for jumping to conclusions, i should have said "if he is proven guilty". the way the media is telling it it seems he IS guilty, but who know, maybe he came home, saw the mess and ran off.

so how should someone be dealt with after murdering three innocent children?

my answer...i honestly don't know. sure does make me sick to know someone committed this ruthless act though.

[Kellykins]

How about a life time in Colony Farms, no chance of release?

I'm not a death penalty supporter, but it doesn't mean I agree with a revolving door justice system, either. Even for those that have severe mental illness (even if they are rehabilitated).

And prisoners have some things in prison that is lame, like internet access and cable/satellite TV. And it's sad we didn't have the forensic technology back when Clifford Olsen was put away, I think he got paid $10 g's a body that he lead police too, and he can see his kid (poor kid, also named Clifford Olsen, Jr., I'm guessing he has changed his name).

I'll add a great Gandhi quote here: "An eye for an eye and soon the whole world is blind."

[Lone Ranger]

Life sentence, general population in a maximum security Federal prison.. They'll provide the justice we cannot.

When I opened the paper yesterday morning my heart sank to the floor. I briefly dated a gal in Merritt a few years ago and just recently had her third kid. One of her ex's is.. well.. quite a loser and albeit I know deep down he loves the kids, lets just say he's not exactly all there upstairs. Guilty as I may be, it was a touch of relief when I found out it wasn't them but that's just heart breaking. I phoned a few friends in Merritt and they didn't actually even hear in on the local news, they heard it on CTV Calgary I think it was!! Freakin' Albertan news and not local. Its shaken the community up badly though (and understandably). LR

[grumpyguy]

Captured.
http://www.mytelus.com/ncp_news/article.en.do?pn=canada&articleID=2905340

[Rockdonkey]

sorry for jumping to conclusions, i should have said "if he is proven guilty". the way the media is telling it it seems he IS guilty, but who know, maybe he came home, saw the mess and ran off.

so how should someone be dealt with after murdering three innocent children?

my answer...i honestly don't know. sure does make me sick to know someone committed this ruthless act though.


haha and you believe everything you hear on the news now dont you..fuk the news is the last place to get the real story...although in this case im sure he is guilty.

And to the guy that says having a defective brain is no excuse..well sorry but it is, nobody is born wanting to be mental unstable and i agree with T-max i feel bad for the guy that he is so far gone that he will possibly murder his own kids. Im not saying he shouldnt get the time, becuase we all know that as soon as he is released into the prison system his chances of survival are slim.

[500grhollowpoint]

That Bull mastiff he caugt him with came from a good friend of mine who is a breeder

[bigswinger]

I have good friends in merritt they heard he wrote on the wall in the childrens blood ..'forever young' hes defiantly a sick bastard deserves to be torchered and killed!

[westcoaster]

I have good friends in merritt they heard he wrote on the wall in the childrens blood ..'forever young' hes defiantly a sick bastard deserves to be torchered and killed!


That all may be true, but unless it actually comes from an "official" source other than a friend of a friend, it is nothing more than speculation and rumor.

I feel that even in death, the children should still be treated with the respect (*and dignity) they would have received had they still been alive which means rumor, speculation, giddy gossip on how they died should be discouraged until the facts come out.

I'm not taking a specific run at you bigswinger.....

[500grhollowpoint]

That was my thought but thanks for putting it to words.

[Bushpiggy]

If it's because the guy is insane that he did this, then everybody loses here.
It's like screaming at a cripple to run, run.
Doesn't matter how much you scream... they can't run.
The guy needed help and he didn't get it.

I am with those who feel some compassion...how screwed must this person be to do such a thing?
IF he did it at all.
I am in agreement that he is entitled to due process.
If he did this do you really think a prision sentence or death sentence means anything to him?

I can't imagine what the Mother and extended family must be going through.

Mental illness is sad because people often don't see it until it's too late.

If he isn't mentaly ill, is fit to stand trial, and found guilty then I agree with whoever said life sentence in general population.

Justice served....inmate style.

[Bog Hog]

I woulda left the guy out there to suffer and rot. Mental problems is right. But there still needs to be a punishment. Anyone can learn. If he walks someone will do him in.

[Kellykins]

If it's because the guy is insane that he did this, then everybody loses here.
It's like screaming at a cripple to run, run.
Doesn't matter how much you scream... they can't run.
The guy needed help and he didn't get it.

I am with those who feel some compassion...how screwed must this person be to do such a thing?
IF he did it at all.
I am in agreement that he is entitled to due process.
If he did this do you really think a prision sentence or death sentence means anything to him?

I can't imagine what the Mother and extended family must be going through.

Mental illness is sad because people often don't see it until it's too late.

If he isn't mentaly ill, is fit to stand trial, and found guilty then I agree with whoever said life sentence in general population.

Justice served....inmate style.

Werd!

[Kellykins]

So I'm guessing everyone heard that he has now been officially charged with the three counts...

[Lone Ranger]

When the fellow tracked him down (assuming this were me), I'd be pretty hard pressed not to level a rifle at him and drop him in his tracks and claim he charged you and you were forced to shoot in self defense. That guy is F'ed in the head and deserves any bit of justice he gets (if he even gets any). Anybody who hurts or kills children should be sentenced way harder than anyone else IMO. LR

[Muddy Crik]

A buddy at work figures we should hang him upside down naked and lite a small fire under him, wait till he cries, then put it out ,hose him down ,and do it all again over and over until we finally let anyone whoever's lost a child to violence in there with 9 irons. I tend to agree. almost EVERYBODY has a little voice that tells them what is right/wrong.Only a select few seriously handicapped people lack that sense. BUT HEY I could be wrong, maybe he ran away and hid in the woods because he was afraid that the rcmp would think that HE did it.

[Kellykins]

A buddy at work figures we should hang him upside down naked and lite a small fire under him, wait till he cries, then put it out ,hose him down ,and do it all again over and over until we finally let anyone whoever's lost a child to violence in there with 9 irons. I tend to agree. almost EVERYBODY has a little voice that tells them what is right/wrong.Only a select few seriously handicapped people lack that sense. BUT HEY I could be wrong, maybe he ran away and hid in the woods because he was afraid that the rcmp would think that HE did it.

Actually Oppositional Defiance Disorder and Conduct Disorder aren't all the uncommon, and every year numbers of diagnosis made in these areas go up. Blame vaccinations and food additives, I dunno. But ya, there are folks that will have no sense of remorse or guilt. Those are hands down the creepiest folks I've ever worked with.

[lars]

almost EVERYBODY has a little voice that tells them what is right/wrong.Only a select few seriously handicapped people lack that sense.
The problem is that his sense of right/wrong could be wrong. Lots of times, in the cases of murder/suicides, the husband (because it's typically the man who's the killer) kills his children to spare them the shame of having to deal with whatever burden the he thinks they'll have to endure (eg: growing up without parents, the shame of having a murderer for a father, etc). In other words, he thinks he's doing the right thing.

The people who really deserve the focus of these punishment fantasies are those who kill out of greed or for fun. IMO, of course.

...lars

[Kellykins]

The problem is that his sense of right/wrong could be wrong. Lots of times, in the cases of murder/suicides, the husband (because it's typically the man who's the killer) kills his children to spare them the shame of having to deal with whatever burden the he thinks they'll have to endure (eg: growing up without parents, the shame of having a murderer for a father, etc). In other words, he thinks he's doing the right thing.

The people who really deserve the focus of these punishment fantasies are those who kill out of greed or for fun. IMO, of course.

...lars

Well said, Larry. And who knows if this guy's Dad beat the living bejeezus out of him or worse when he was a kid. Stuff like that is bound to affect someone as an adult. Send him to Forensics.

[Tmax]

A buddy at work figures we should hang him upside down naked and lite a small fire under him, wait till he cries, then put it out ,hose him down ,and do it all again over and over until we finally let anyone whoever's lost a child to violence in there with 9 irons. I tend to agree. almost EVERYBODY has a little voice that tells them what is right/wrong.Only a select few seriously handicapped people lack that sense. BUT HEY I could be wrong, maybe he ran away and hid in the woods because he was afraid that the rcmp would think that HE did it.


and how does that help the society? all it shows is that your buddy is just as sick as the accused and he's looking for an excuse to act it out. :shakehead:

[500grhollowpoint]

Quit being such a bleeding heart. The guy deserves all this and more. Obviously none of us are going to do any of these things to anyone. This is just a forum to vent our frustrations, that's all. When it came down to it no one here would have the stones to carry this stuff out. Even to an animal let alone a human.

[RoperAB]

Sometimes people lose all hope. In their condition sometimes they think that killing their kids is the humane thing to do. Think they are doing it to save the kids from a life of suffering. A life with no hope. Think they are doing the right thing. Back in the Great Depression more than one husband/ wife killed their kids and then themselves. These people were not bi/polar. They just lost all hope.
About that guy in BC. I have no idea what was going through his head. But the RCMP didnt seem to think that he was a danger to anybody elses kids so I kind of suspect what was going through his head. Just cant figgure out why he didnt off himself?