TOY SAS

[4runnin]

started my swap this week..................... I picked up an 85 solid that would have looked better out in a pasture some where. The swap kit is from Trail Gear. I went with the 5" springs. I re geared the diff with 529s to match the rear and took my birffs to Travis @ Killer to be smurfed. Hopefully have the smurfs back early this week so I can start rebuilding the front end.
I spent the first week stripping the solid axle down, cleaning, wire brush sanding, cutting, grinding, washing, and finally painting the NEW front end. I also stripped the IFS out.
Next is to start torching of the old ifs hangers, bump stops ect...........
Then rebuild the solid and start maucking up the purches ect.........
I'll post some pics this week and update my progress later in the week aswell. :beer

[miller]

'bout bloody time man...where are you doing it? I'll stop by sometime.

[J20]

is it done yet??????????????

[4runnin]

is it done yet??????????????

thats funny, ya havent done one before but somthing tells me its guna take a tad bit longer than ur shackles there J20......................:poke:

Miller, doin it at my place in the car port. Waiting on some parts to rebuild the front, once thats done I should be able to start muacking it up for it to be welded.
Hopefully this weekend I'll atleast get time to put the front end back together.Its a little tuff with two little chicas and a 7month pregnant wife...............:violin
later

[J20]

oh damn dude your havin another..........congrats mang..........

[4runnin]

before:

[4runnin]

later:

[4runnin]

new stuff:

[4runnin]

oh damn dude your havin another..........congrats mang..........

thanks mang :beer
its a chico instead of a chica this time....................................... I be siked!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!1

[J20]

lookin good nice progress mang:cwm30: :cwm30: :cwm30:

[d0ubledown]

Its a little tuff with two little chicas and a 7month pregnant wife...




whats the secret? i've got two lil people (but none in the oven) and theres no way in hell i could get enough free time to do a simple oil change...let alone swappin axles... :violin


nice job so far dude... :beer

[4runnin]

really late nights + really early mornings=NO SLEEP

and shes a pretty cool chik................. my wife that is.:D
hopefully have some more updates by the weeks end.:beer

[belmont mild]

that things looks clean and really shiny

[killer toy]

what was your old ifs kit? how much lift? are u selling it? i know someone that might be interested would it work in a 92?

[Brentolsten]

sweet dude if u need a hand be happy to help u. now arent u happy u spent all that money on the ifs

[4runnin]

kit is sold, its gettin picked up any minute.................. still have the diff full of semi sinthetic just ready to bolt up.

Brent, should be ok, but ill definatley let u know if i need a hand.:beer
U still got the pickup, if so when im done wheel have to go flex our sh*t......lol:D

[Brentolsten]

yeah still got it but it sits in my driveway dead as i have no money to fix it cause now im a poor student.

[4runnin]

just finished hacking of the old IFS mounts and cleaning up the drivers side of the frame with the grinder. I'm sure my neighbours love me........................ 3 hours of cutting and grinding from 730-1030. Hopefuly they dont go to bed to early:clown . Should have both sides complely finished of lookin nice and clean by tomorrow night. Im picken up my smurfs tomorrow, then i just need some brake lines to run from my calipers to my stainless lines, some lugs, and 2 new wheel bearing washers and i will be able to build the front axle:) .
Hopeing to have the front axle built and maucked up to the truck by Sunday night!
Will see what the wife and kids think of my plans................. probably have different ideas for me this weekend.
I'll post up some progress pics this weekend.
Later:welder

[J20]

sounds good dude cant wait to see ya out on the trail with it

:worthless_without_p

[4runnin]

some picture updates.............................

[4runnin]

sumore...........................

[Brentolsten]

id put that hanger farther forward or good chance when she flexes the 35 will hit the firewall. when u workin on it next stop by and take a look at it

[4runnin]

the hangers not even setup, Its on backwards I just threw it up there, thats why it looks so far back.
when its setup itll sit about 3/4" (recomended distance with 5" springs)forward from the frame, much more and there want be enough cross member to weld it to.

on other topics, just got back from driveing all over the place trying to find bareing washers and a lock ring for the wheel axle. No luck. So Toyota is ordering them in.................. they will be here wensday, hopefuly. So much for puttin it back together this weekend.:confused:
I think i'll clean the outer part of the hubs a bit better and slap some paint on them. I'm sure ive got enough to keep me busy for a few nights................
later.

[Brentolsten]

yeah took a look at it and it looks pretty good. are gonna do anything to the rear

[4runnin]

yeah took a look at it and it looks pretty good. are gonna do anything to the rear:beer

when its all together i'll see how she looks and handles with the blocks and shackles.................... I'll probably eventually huck the blocks and add a leaf/leaf pack and throw in some chevy's. But gotta finish the fornt and see.

Building the wheel portion(rotors, hubs, spacers, race and bareings ect.) of the front tonight while i wait for parts. I'll post some pics when there done.

[miller]

Looks good man...we could still smell the grinding disks :) If you need stuff don't forget to call us because we might have the stuff....tools, parts, etc. ;)

[4runnin]

thanks mang:beer ........................... heres some pics

[4runnin]

If i get some time tomorrow I'll put the nuckles together....................... and then wait for my parts to throw it all together:cwm30:

I'll post some more pics tomorrow
later

[4runnin]

threw my 3rd in, aswell as my nuckle races and bareings, axle seals, nuckle seals and packed my smurfs and put it together ............................... somewhat.
heres some pics

[4runnin]

runnin out of parts for the axle rebuild....................... this mean I must be gettin close or just missin some sh*t.:p
later

[miller]

I have something you can do while your waiting if you want....cut the bottoms of the dust plates out. Then you don't get mud and little rocks stuck in there between the plate and the rotor...just a thought....cause it'll be a long time befor you have those off again....I'm still waiting for the day I pull my axle apart that much to cut them up.

[4runnin]

sweet idea........................... I'll be on that tonight.:beer

[Brentolsten]

dam ur a picture whore. when u put ur smurfs into ur knuckles u dont have to pack the knuckle full of grease around the smurf how toyota says just do a thick coating on the knuckle.

[miller]

But make sure you pack your birfs...I'm sure you knew that just wanted to make that clear from the above post.:redneck

[4runnin]

chopped the cups off the dust gaurds, looks pretty good...............:beer joe
cut from the caliper notch down and around and about 1/3 of the way back up............. should prevent little stones and other sh*t from gettin stuck.
thanks
later

[miller]

Cool....I'm repacking my bearings tomorrow and will be doing the same thing....finally two years later I have stuff down to where I can do it. Wish somebody would have told me back then. :beer_cheers:

[4runnin]

axles complete.............................. except for the fact that i kept the locking caps for my hubs off my ifs cause the others were thrashed and just relized that the cvs are skinnier than the smurfs (which are packed inside a nicely coated knuckle:D ). Need to get some:help , or else pickup some new ones. If I cant get some by this weekend, I'll by some warns or something along those lines.
some pics from the whore............

[J20]

Nice werk Danny...................:beer

[4runnin]

tanks man ...................... Hopefully be driven it by the end of the weekend:cwm25:

[miller]

Check your phone messages.

[4runnin]

ordered some mile markers, they'll be on by tomorrow night.................... they should be alright, until i brake one. lol

[miller]

...why didn't you just buy some from someone off the board? You probably just paid double for something inferior?...you crazy

[4runnin]

I just paid 110+tax for something u have probably never even run on your truck so to say there infearior is an assumption................................... I stated that they should be fine until I brake one, so I will have to see how they perform then we can start to make our assumptions.At any rate, 120 with tax is not a loss if they stand up, only time will tell:D.
later

[miller]

Fair enough....whatever gets you wheelin :redneck.

[Brentolsten]

asin hubs all the way there the best u can get for the toyotas all the others just suck. but i guess u dont drive ur junk quite as hard as some of us.

[4runnin]

ya I guess ur rite brent all that wheelin u do.......................:laugh :laugh
like i said i'll see how they handel.............. if one brakes 120 for the pair dont set me out of pocket, but thats just me.
later

[4-runnin]

Bobby Long proved aisin hubs are the best you can get on his axle testing machine. They outperformed, Warn, Superwinch and Mile Marker by a (no pun intended) mile.
They are also the lowest profile hub available, which is a big deal because I always seem to be jamming rocks into mine so I couldnt imagine having hubs that stick out even more.

[4runnin]

u just said what I just found out. These things are fu*king loooooooooooong!
not to mention the inner section that recieves the smurf spline is so long I can't even get my lock ring on............... any body got some inners from an old set of 85's to put in my aisin IFS set, these piece's of **** r going back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess this was a big failuer:wtf:
later

[miller]

You're a stubborn bastard aren't you lol? At least you did your rotor covers...and you're doing your SAS.

[4runnin]

I guess u could say that, they were so shiney in the picture they were just saying bling but when I got them ................................ well they sucked ass from the start. Comparing the componints with my aisin's parts these things are total sh*t.
my bad
later

[Pw82]

any body got some inners from an old set of 85's to put in my aisin IFS set, these piece's of **** r going back!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
I guess this was a big failuer:wtf:
later

you can get beefy ones from Longfeild.

[4runnin]

:beer i'll chekum out
later

[Brentolsten]

ya I guess ur rite brent all that wheelin u do.......................:laugh :laugh
like i said i'll see how they handel.............. if one brakes 120 for the pair dont set me out of pocket, but thats just me.
later

i wheeled lots in the summer at at bigwhite and im welded front and havent broken a asin hub.

[MR.MIKE]

hey do you have a good pic of you bumper you could please post i am gonna build one and i like the way yours looks

thanks, Mike

[4runnin]

i wheeled lots in the summer at at bigwhite and im welded front and havent broken a asin hub.

Sounds promising for aisin hubs................... I'll have to see how my warns stand up. There way fuc*ing better than the mile markers, but I still see some flause in comparision with the aisins. They stick out further from the wheel more, however this should not effect me to much because of the 1.5" spacers I end up about the same as i was before the swap as for clerance is consurned. The spring which loads the hub to lock is definitly inferior to the aisin spring. Its far weeker and seems like years of use will probably end in flat springs.
I guess I'll just have to see how they perform on the trail in comparison with the stock ones.
Anyway, axles got the rubber on and shes ready to bolt up. Brake lines are done and hubs are on (which fit great). Warn provides a retaining washer with bolt that threads into the end of the smurf. Welding will be sunday, if shes done by sunday night I'll be taken her for a boot........:cwm30: :cwm30: :cwm30:
I'm keepin my fingers crossed.
heres sum pics..................

[4runnin]

hey do you have a good pic of you bumper you could please post i am gonna build one and i like the way yours looks

thanks, Mike

I'll take sum pics this weekend if I get some time and post them up.

[MR.MIKE]

thanks:beer

[miller]

We're going to eagle this saturday if you want to pop it's cherry then.

[4runnin]

if i can get a drive shaft by then fo sho..................... I'll let u know Joe
later

[4runnin]

lots of progress today, I'm fu*kin beet.
heres some pics.............

[4runnin]

some more.................

[4runnin]

hey do you have a good pic of you bumper you could please post i am gonna build one and i like the way yours looks

thanks, Mike
heres some u can use Mr.Mike..............

[J20]

Damn Danny that thing looks ballin now dude.............sounds like me and Sonny are going to play at er on sat for a coupe hours im going to take my daughter out for the first time so dont wanna go to hard.........would be a good time to test her out.....................u down?.............i wil call ya this week

EDIT Joe is going to run fuct instead..........Sonny is bringing his kids too or thats the plan

[miller]

nice work...what's left just the driveshaft?....and to put your front spring bolts in the right way :poke: ? Go get some action shots this weekend that's awesome. I'm super stoked for you dood.

:redneck :redneck :redneck :redneck :redneck

EDIT: Also did you gusset the sas hanger to the frame? I don't see any...if you haven't....do it..and don't argue :) just like other comments there are good reasons and tons of proof why you need to do it....then go wheel the piss out of it.

[4runnin]

nice work...what's left just the driveshaft?....and to put your front spring bolts in the right way :poke: ? Go get some action shots this weekend that's awesome. I'm super stoked for you dood.

:redneck :redneck :redneck :redneck :redneck

EDIT: Also did you gusset the sas hanger to the frame? I don't see any...if you haven't....do it..and don't argue :) just like other comments there are good reasons and tons of proof why you need to do it....then go wheel the piss out of it.

ahhhhhh ya its gusseted and the bolts are faced with the nipples out of harms way (into the truck except for the rear top shackle bolts, but there protected by the body mount gussets). other than that I dont know what ur talken about.
as far as whats left, brakes, steering, stabalizer, drive shaft and bump stop that weld underneath the frame.
later................

[miller]

Ah wise you are with the nipple protection keep em covered up.:cwm30:

[4runnin]

I love them nipples:beer
When I put my shocks on I realized that there is 5" on 1 and 4.5" on the other of piston remainig out of the can. for 14" shocks this might be a problam. once the bump stops on the frame it should limit the piston from compressing any more than about 3.5" so I'll have to see what it looks like once there on and I stuff one side too compress the other. wtf
later

[4runnin]

I just realized that they call for about 60% to remain in the can when installed, so i'm sittin at about 65-69%. It should be ok...............:confused:

[MR.MIKE]

hey thanks alot for the pics

[4runnin]

took her out for a quick boot, got to setup the steering better and the brakes. it pulls to 1 side when brakeing and turns more 1 way than the other. other than that I need to weld the bump stops and stabalizer braket. also pickup a drive shaft from a guy in chili............... dont think this will all happen by this weekend Joe, so maybe the next weekend we can hook up? letmeknow
later

[Rockdonkey]

Just make sure with your steering that the pitman is centered on the box...haha i had a brain fart and couldnt figure it out luckly a buddy was on the ball...now my steering works fine

[4runnin]

Just make sure with your steering that the pitman is centered on the box...haha i had a brain fart and couldnt figure it out luckly a buddy was on the ball...now my steering works fine

ya I here ya, the steerings preaty good now other than the steering wheel is about 20% out one way. I'll center the tires drop the pitman arm then center the wheel and bolt her back up and she should be mint. The brakes still bites hard one way, I even had them power bled and set up. I kept my pads from my ifs, so im thinkin that its got to be that the pad is poorly woren to suit the old rotors. I'm goin to throw some new pads in and hopefuly that should fix it. other than that I just need a drive shaft and im good to wheel.
Any body herd of constant velocity drive shafts???????????? If so some feed back would be cool.
later

[4runnin]

Steerings not to bad now, but still pulls to the left when braking hard even after new pads. I'm goin to pull the caliper of and swap it for a new 1. The other is not even 2 years old so then they'll both be in good shape. hopefully this will fix it.

[Pw82]

does it pull under normal braking or just hard braking?. Does it pull to the left?

[4runnin]

If the brakes are applyed smoothley Its not to bad, but if I throw my foot down harder than that it starts pullin to the left.

[Pw82]

its probably from the front end diving down, which pushes the dragling up, which causes it to turn left.

[4runnin]

so this is normal for a solid front with leafs? I can definitly feel it diving when i brake. Something i'll have to get use to I guess. Went for another boot and its not to bad I guess?

[4runnin]

my buddy is picken me up a drive shaft in chili today. should be ready for wheelin by next weekend.:cwm30: :cwm30:

[J20]

you should just do a square shaft dude..............strong and cheap

[4runnin]

I still need the joints from both sides, my ifs cant flex enough. Im still thinkin of what kind of shaft im goin to run. Box tube is definitly 1 of my options.

[Brentolsten]

I still need the joints from both sides, my ifs cant flex enough. Im still thinkin of what kind of shaft im goin to run. Box tube is definitly 1 of my options.

get a 85 drive shaft and then put the trail gear long slip in super easy to do and the best way to go i think

[4runnin]

some hurting flex shots from behind saveonfoods..........

[4runnin]

get a 85 drive shaft and then put the trail gear long slip in super easy to do and the best way to go i think

sounds like the way im probably goin, thanks B

[96 runner]

looks good saw u yetserday driving around

[Brentolsten]

a good spot to flex ur truck is behind the lynnwood go under the train bridge take ur first left go to the end and into that parking lot ull figure it out from there.

[4runnin]

looks good saw u yetserday driving around

thanks man.:beer

[4runnin]

as for the pulling issue when braking, I guess the big ugly gusset on the drivers side of the axle was for the stock 85 which atached to the draglink or somthing like that and prevented this from occuring. So much for that, I grinded the ugly fu*ker off. I'm picken the 12" T/G drive shaft exstention up tomorrow. Need to tweek the drag link a bit more, It still wants to drift to the right a bit.
later

[toyotamike]

Are you planning on clearancing you IFS front CV and then adding the tg shaft? Brent and i did mine last week and there was hardly any room left for compression using the TG shaft and a single tcase. This was on a 95 pickup with the axel moved 1+ inches ahead of stock. you basically have to butt the end of the shaft up against the cv and weld a small amount of tube in there to put it all together. we used less than 2 inces of Dom tubing between the cv and slip shaft and it still only allowed for 2.5 inches or less of compression.

[4runnin]

could u not just leave 2"s of the origanal tube to weld the slip end too? and if u dont have enough compresion, just buck of some of the new female reciever tube and slip shaft.
just my thoughts...........................later

[toyotamike]

you could cut off and reuse some of the original tubing but it was tough to get a nice square edge on the tube, we used a pipe cutter first but it beveled the edge in an made it difficult to fit the end of the silp shaft into it. We ended up taking the original pip off the cv with a lathe and then cutting dom to fit. I still have quite a bit of the tubing at the shop if you need some. I didnt cut the slip down because then you start losing some of your extension and my plan is to do dual cases in the near future. Right now i have about the absolute minimum compression possible.

[4runnin]

max exstention is good, Im just thinkin about if u run out of compression u'll end up cracken ur tcase. So as long as ur not flexin the sh*t out of it until u go dual cases that should work. as for the dom tubing I should be good................ thanks. Im thinkin I can leave enough of the origanal stock on the cv to weld to, but i'll have to see. I havent even looked yet. How long did ur shaft end up being when fully compressed. that sounds fu*ked .......................lol
later

[toyotamike]

i think it was around 24-25 inches, the cv adds about 6.5 inches, i am also running a high pinion up front so it would make the driveline shorter. It was roughly 27.5 inches from diff flange to tcase flange.

[1/2toy1/2chevy]

shouldnt need more then 3" of compression

[Brentolsten]

max compression ull need is 4 inches to be safe but 3 is just fine to danny if u measure around 28 from center of flange to center of flange ull be laughin. heat up the tube on the cv red hot or close to and the slip shaft falls right in.

[4runnin]

drive shaft will be bolted up by tomorrow. theres 3"s for compression. I've talked to a few people and they all say that 3"s should be fine so I went with that. this way a gain more exstention on the shaft. I used a chop saw to get a square cut and cut off enough to leave 2"s of the origanal stock pipe to weld to, which when welded up to the new exstention will leave me with my 3"s. I also added some diff breathers with valves at the top of the tubeing to ensure minimal if any back flow of unwanted substances.
thanks for the info on the drive shaft...................:beer
later.

[4runnin]

a few pics.......

[MR.MIKE]

sorry to keep bugging you but do you know what size of tubeing you bumper is ?

im guessing 1 1/2"-1 3/4"

[4runnin]

main is 1.75" there is also some 1.5" (only on the rear bumper)and 2"(riser on front). lots of gussets for winching. Managed to pick up all stock holes though. If u want to check it out be my guest.

I just pulled my driver side caliper, broke it down to find that the pistons are seazed. Hopefully I'll find one to throw in so I can go wheelin this weekend. This should end my braking issues, hopefully.

[4runnin]

threw in the drive shaft today. it fits sweet..................... with 4"s out of the slip yoke for compression, it leaves 8"s of extension.
took it for a boot in 4wheel.................... it works ........................ that and trying to turn around on pavement with ur tires aired up to 30+ psi and in 4hi = a 10 point turn............ thats about all I got out of that drive.
goin up eagle this weekend, super siked!!!!!!! SWAPS DONE

thanks to all for the tips and all the other sh*t
later:beer :beer

[miller]

Congrats!

[4runnin]

joe u want to wheel eagle this weekend?

[miller]

I will be adding to our trail system on sat...but if it's pissing rain then yes, otherwise no, what time?

[4runnin]

thinkin like 930 @ the mall