Davis Lake in Mission

[Conky]

Intro to myself first. My name is Joey Starr and I work for the Mission RCMP. I am currently attached to the Rural Beat Patrol Section in our office. My area is from Shook Rd to Harrison Bay and as far north as i can get on all the rural roads. Some of you I may have met on the trails while i'm in the 4X4 police vehicle or on the quad. One of the issues that i see which is becoming a problem is the Davis Lake area off of Sylvester Rd, Mission BC. It seems that when a trail is made, the trail gets dug out by the Provincial Government. Then a new trail is made and this gets dug out. Soon there will be no more vegitation along the road, only trails which in turn gets washed out more by rain. For me, this is something that I do not want to see happen in our forests. I have worked with Quads.ca and became a member also. The last event which I helped organize was the clean up in that area on Nov 5.

I spoke to the person who is in charge of Davis lake on Lost Creek FSR in Mission BC. He stated that due to the damage and the problems which happens down there, they are stopping vehicles from entering. They have attempted to develope this area but it keeps getting put on the shelf. He also advises that they do not have the funds to have people stay on site or maintain it. I advised him that within the last year there has been an increase in patrols by police, conservation officers, ministry of forest and canadian wildlife services officers. He stated that this would help open the area again since he now sees the increased patrols. I will be having a meeting with him and other organizations to see if a plan can be made for the opening of the area.

I would like input from people on here as to what they would like to see happen with this area IE; open only on weekends, day openings, is camping permitted in the area. Please submit your comments so that I have an idea on what people want to use the site for. Some of the people on here may be into camping. Thank you all for your comments.

If anyone has any other issues that are in the Mission area, let me know and i'll see what I can do to help out.

PS: I may ask someone from the ATV and 4X4 clubs if they could attend the meeting as this would help get the area open and they will have input into the opening.

PSS: I tried to get a lift kit and mud tires for my police vehicle but they wouldn't go for it :(

[snacks]

if davis was opened up it would get trashed worse than how it is now ????

it's such a nice area and the lake is gorgeous. will this turn into a pay site if re-opened ????

should make it a real 4x4 trail to get in so cars etc. can't get in.

[Roy]

Good to see you on here Joey. You STILL haven't called me regarding SAR stuff.

Roy

[96 runner]

if davis was opened up it would get trashed worse than how it is now ????

it's such a nice area and the lake is gorgeous. will this turn into a pay site if re-opened ????

should make it a real 4x4 trail to get in so cars etc. can't get in.

I would have to agree with snacks on this. i have been there a couple of time.
if it is opened more then it is now it will get trashed. i know because i used to go to a spot with my parents that was alittle hard to get into then davis then people started going in there and we used to have to pick up about 400 beer cans before the sit was clear it sucked we even caught the people and told them to pack in what they bring in . it called beuiful british columbia for a reason. (i hate pay sites) And i always take what i camw in with sorry for the babal.

[Conky]

if davis was opened up it would get trashed worse than how it is now ????

it's such a nice area and the lake is gorgeous. will this turn into a pay site if re-opened ????

should make it a real 4x4 trail to get in so cars etc. can't get in.

Right now there are no people going down so things will be good for the time being. But as trails get cut through then there will be problems down there. As everyone knows, the RCMP does not have a TRUE off road vehicle. Altho there is the ATV, love the thing but don't want to haul it just to go into Davis Lake. If the road is open then the police, conservation officers and Canadian Wildilfe Services will conduct more patrols. In the past there were few patrols in the area. The RCMP now have a person designated for the area ( thats me ) to conduct more patrols. I think its more that I just love 4X4ing and being out in the bush. Ask Roy, we have taken the truck in a few good spots. If there were more people patroling and other people checking the site then there will be less problems. We just have to let the people know that we ( Authorities and general public ) take care of our area and we will report any ( anonymous or not ) illigal activity.

I'm not sure if they are wanting to make it a pay site at this time as we are going to have a meeting to try and get it opened up. We all have to take a part in this before they end up shutting down everything. I don't want to live in an area controlled by gates and huge ditches to keep people out. Ministry of Forest are currently working at making Salsbury Lake and Kenya Lake camp sites with care takers on site.

Roy, Let me know the times for the meetings and I will start attending. I spoke to Glen but he said I can't take it over, gary has to deal with it. I'll just be there to run the boat :laugh

[96 runner]

that was a quick reply. I would like to see places like davis harder to get into and i know people on the board that pick up stuff when we go there.

[DMMcG]

Opening a road up - even if it's a "4x4-only" type road- is a positive step. When roads/trails get "closed" in the manner that they're getting closed these days, what ends up happening is that people who don't abide closures continue to have access, and those who comply don't.

Consider the examples of Eagle Ridge and Hut Lake. Both roads have been gated/blocked, with by-passes that look like hell (you can imagine what the hikers and other non-vehicle day-use people have to say about the muddy, rutted mess left by trucks accessing these areas).

In my experience, the people who are inclined to comply with regulatory closures are the very people who ought be encouraged to have a presence at these sites. Isn't it better to have responsible, law-abiding folks there to assist authorities with monitoring, reporting, maintenance etc etc., rather than locking them out and then having insufficient enforcement personnel to manage the people who are prepared to trespass?

I think it's an excellent idea to have a stakeholders meeting and brainstorm ideas to keep Davis open and free.

[96 runner]

people will trespass and even if the proportiy they r doing so is owned by someone they r allowed to do so if there trying to get water (loophole)

[d0ubledown]

i say we have something like what the 4wdabc is doing with sunrise & hale. monthly cleanups and maintenance etc. build the entrance trail difficult enough to deter those less capable and put a sign that states 4wd vehicles only. salsbury is fairly easy though, so im not sure what you can do there.

no matter how you slice it, there will be people that will always find a way through. make it difficult to access, and at least if theres an official group that maintains the sites it wont look as trashed.

...Isn't it better to have responsible, law-abiding folks there to assist authorities with monitoring, reporting, maintenance etc etc., rather than locking them out and then having insufficient enforcement personnel to manage the people who are prepared to trespass?

:agree:

[96 runner]

hey sonny u going to the next sunraise run?

[Chucky3436]

Will this affect entry or useage of the large shooting pits located near davis?

[Conky]

Opening a road up - even if it's a "4x4-only" type road- is a positive step. When roads/trails get "closed" in the manner that they're getting closed these days, what ends up happening is that people who don't abide closures continue to have access, and those who comply don't.

Consider the examples of Eagle Ridge and Hut Lake. Both roads have been gated/blocked, with by-passes that look like hell (you can imagine what the hikers and other non-vehicle day-use people have to say about the muddy, rutted mess left by trucks accessing these areas).

In my experience, the people who are inclined to comply with regulatory closures are the very people who ought be encouraged to have a presence at these sites. Isn't it better to have responsible, law-abiding folks there to assist authorities with monitoring, reporting, maintenance etc etc., rather than locking them out and then having insufficient enforcement personnel to manage the people who are prepared to trespass?

I think it's an excellent idea to have a stakeholders meeting and brainstorm ideas to keep Davis open and free.

I agree with your comments. Lets take a look at it right now. Before the road got dug out again, entry was by foot, ATV and good 4X4 vehicles. So before the police obtain an ATV we did not attend or even patrol down there. I heard from many people on the Quads.ca site that they used to go down there but it became an ugly place to go because of garbage, parties and damage to the environment. So as we look at it, not everyone could get down there and we still have the problems. Now they have really dug it out so you can not get by. I for one do not like seeing places get shut down. I grew up living in northern BC and loved the outdoors. Any chance I got I went fishing, hunting and 4X4'ing any road we could find. Yes there were times where we had to walk half a day to get out because we got REALLY stuck. But i had fun. I still want to have that feeling here so thats why I try and work out situations to help people from loosing valuable space to explore. We all can help keep the Province known as Beautiful British Columbia. Show the people what its all about and keep the lakes open and clean. And as I said, I have met a few 4X4 groups and have not had any problems. I had even Winched a guy out of creek bed who broke his rear axle, Hope the boss isn't reading this:whiteflag:

[Conky]

Will this affect entry or useage of the large shooting pits located near davis?


At this time, no.

[hamberger]

Restricting access breeds civil disobedience. Leave the road open but unmaintained to allow users the "feeling" of remoteness. This will alleviate destructive bypasses while not requiring $ for gates and caretakers.

Punishment is key. All it takes is a huge fine for littering or falling of tree's in a Provincial Park and word will definitely get around . Random stake-outs shouldn't cost too much.

ham

[snacks]

Restricting access breeds civil disobedience. Leave the road open but unmaintained to allow users the "feeling" of remoteness. This will alleviate destructive bypasses while not requiring $ for gates and caretakers.

Punishment is key. All it takes is a huge fine for littering or falling of tree's in a Provincial Park and word will definitely get around . Random stake-outs shouldn't cost too much.

ham


couldn't believe people were hackin up green live trees. they don't burn good. i have seen alot of people walkin in and partying leaving a big mess. seems to be the younger they are the bigger mess they make but we all know that isn't the fact.

i still want to try fishin in there.

[96 runner]

well i just noticed a picture on the other 4x4 site it looks like its still open to me but has a huge trench which keeps the stockers out.

[Wes Rempel]

Before the road got dug out again, entry was by foot, ATV and good 4X4 vehicles.

What? Hardly the case as evidenced by the junk down there. Any stock 4x4 could drive down, and there were amost always 2wd trucks and sometimes cars and vans down there....

[EHeye]

I tried to get a group together that would maintain davis lake on "the other site", although there was alot of intrest and people really wanted to clean it up, no one would actually do the work. I went down there and cleaned up in September, just the main entrance road down to Davis I hauled out 8 garbage bags, truck parts, stoves, dishwashers, and placed it all on the side to be picked up. I dont know if it got picked up by thepeople that said they would, but it was ridiculous. I could not haul anything out as I have a little buggy.

This is definately a step in the right direction, the main problems with that place is the human waste everywhere and broken bottles. Garbage bins were placed around the main beach section, but I guess idiots will be idiots and smash bottles anyways. I would suggest that a outhouse type dealie should be made and regular cleanups happen.

Let me know when the Public Meeting is about this and I will be sure to show up. I know of a few other people that should probably come as well (Heavy Metal on this board, he has done alot for this lake, and im sure would like to give some input).

See you on the trails Conky!! I drive a samurai with a chopped back and a flat deck. :)

[EHeye]

forgot to mention, those bags of garbage were almost all grow op crap.

[haloone]

Restricting access breeds civil disobedience. Leave the road open but unmaintained to allow users the "feeling" of remoteness. This will alleviate destructive bypasses while not requiring $ for gates and caretakers.

Punishment is key. All it takes is a huge fine for littering or falling of tree's in a Provincial Park and word will definitely get around . Random stake-outs shouldn't cost too much.

ham

i agree with hamberger 100%.
oh and good to see you on the board constable starr.(we,ve met a few times out on the trails.)

[Conky]

i agree with hamberger 100%.
oh and good to see you on the board constable starr.(we,ve met a few times out on the trails.)

Thanks Haloone. As for Davis Lake, i'm sure if there was a group that was willing to clean up and look after the place, we could get it opened back up a little easier. I'm sure that ROY will help out as i know where he lives :laugh I told the guy this is how the Minsitry of forest looks after some of their sites and he sounded like he is willing to try this. If a group of people want to do this let me know and I will mention it at the meeting ( date has not been set yet ). Also, if a 4X4 club wishes to take this on, i'm willing to help out also as this gives me yet another reason to be out there ( on my quad tho, truck will fall apart as soon as it hits bumps:whiteflag: ).

[Roy]

Joey, we used to take the old Alpha One down to the lake all the time... in 2wd! Years ago, the road was in good shape. In fact, back in the 60's my father used to go fishing there in his home made cedar strip and canvas canoe... which I still have. It would be nice to see the area opened up and supervised.

[Conky]

It would be nice to see the area opened up and supervised.


Okay, jobs yours :laugh Its' nice to see someone take the bull by the horns :laugh :whiteflag: Roy is much bigger then me.

[Roy]

Joey, it's important that you give me a call. You in the office tomorrow?

[gavman]

I had an amazing weekend up there in july with the kids, a really beautiful lake and one of the highlights of the summer camping season.
I for one would be very sad to see it remained closed and would happily volunteer some time to help restore and maintain it.
Have a mini ex which i could haul up there to dig some outhouse pits????
Best advice i heard here yet is to try to catch some of the yobs in the act and fine them really heavy to send the message.
Post when the meeting is going to happen.....
Thanks for the interest Conky




Oh yeah i met this 50 something woman up there in the summer and she told me her husband LOST his camaro in the lake in the eighties and never recovered it....

[Wes Rempel]

Oh yeah i met this 50 something woman up there in the summer and she told me her husband LOST his camaro in the lake in the eighties and never recovered it....

Its a parking lot under there. The lake is fairly shallow for a bit and then drops off sharply...

[Conky]

Its a parking lot under there. The lake is fairly shallow for a bit and then drops off sharply...

I went to recover a vehicle there and we had to call the dive team. They advise that it goes out nicely then drops very fast.

Roy I'm working nights for the next few days so give me a call or i'll try and give you a call tomorrow night.

[samiwanted]

Will this affect entry or useage of the large shooting pits located near davis?

The shooting pits the worst parts about the davis lake area. ITS REDICULOUS. pick up your'e freakin shells, I really think that kinda crapp should be forbidden!

[EHeye]

I had even Winched a guy out of creek bed who broke his rear axle, Hope the boss isn't reading this:whiteflag:


OH SNAPPP!!!! I just read this part, I was there with you. I was Taylors (the guy who broke) helper there, my truck was further up the creek. That was 6 feet under if you did not know, before it was thrashed and paved.

And I may have a certain something something still buried on my computron from that day. How could I not miss a "picturesque" moment like that.

Great meeting you by the way! Was definately an awesome day, especially with the RCMP to the rescue!!! :beer_cheers:

[d0ubledown]

drove past that pit on the way up to kenyon & salsbury lakes. there's probably more shells on the ground than there is rocks...

[EHeye]

drove past that pit on the way up to kenyon & salsbury lakes. there's probably more shells on the ground than there is rocks...

a money pit??

think of the metal.

[bucket]

This is sad. I've never been to Davis and its shut already. What'll it take to get it made into a SICK 4x4 trail and "allowed" / maintained at that level ?

(Not trying to be silly, but that may be a good "state" for these trails. Worked for sunrise, and you can't get a car up there)

[samiwanted]

drove past that pit on the way up to kenyon & salsbury lakes. there's probably more shells on the ground than there is rocks...

and its just @$#*#$# iritating when every step you make is on a dozen shells, and thats an understatement. I shoot shotguns every once in a while I know its fun. But please just pick up your freaking shells!

[HEAVY METAL]

and its just @$#*#$# iritating when every step you make is on a dozen shells, and thats an understatement. I shoot shotguns every once in a while I know its fun. But please just pick up your freaking shells!



if ya dont like it... dont go.... easy huh?

and yes ive put my time in up there cleanin and organizing.. droping barrels off so people wpould " hopefully" use them.. no prevail....glad to see it closed.....

[samiwanted]

if ya dont like it... dont go.... easy huh?

and yes ive put my time in up there cleanin and organizing.. droping barrels off so people wpould " hopefully" use them.. no prevail....glad to see it closed.....

I dont go mr HEAVY METAL, Does that mean I dont have an opinion about how things look there? Wel maybe my opinion is worth just as much as yours then?

and thank you for putting in your time to clean the area.

[d0ubledown]

if ya dont like it... dont go.... easy huh?

and yes ive put my time in up there cleanin and organizing.. droping barrels off so people wpould " hopefully" use them.. no prevail....glad to see it closed.....

theres one large pit north of davis that you must pass to get to the northen lakes. seeing the mess is unavoidable, unless youre blindfolded driving by. there are burnt/abandoned cars on fsr roadsides. does that mean we dont go up them? in the case of garbage, its not as easy as out of sight out of mind/dont like it dont go.

i applaud all the effort & hardwork you put in, hoping it'd make a difference. it is too bad that it didnt work out...so maybe this is the next step. hopefully davis can be setup like sunrise/hale, so we can at least access it and do organized cleanups n stuff. i'd be up for a once/twice a month midweek cleanup..since my weekend's are very limited...

:beer

[HEAVY METAL]

I dont go mr HEAVY METAL, Does that mean I dont have an opinion about how things look there? Wel maybe my opinion is worth just as much as yours then?

and thank you for putting in your time to clean the area.


you dont go there?


why concerned.?


" cant see it from your back yard".... that the mentality of alot of the " new" fourwheelers threse days......

[samiwanted]

you dont go there?


why concerned.?


" cant see it from your back yard".... that the mentality of alot of the " new" fourwheelers threse days......

Gone there twice, 3 years ago it was still half decent, and about 3 months ago it was a big mess, cleaned some crap up and left.

If it was clean place I would go there and enjoy nature. I dont go to your beloved mud flats either. I like places that are quiet and where there is not so many people.

Just because you never met me, and dont know who I am doesnt mean im "new" to fourwheeling.

BTW, You have a real attitude problem.

[buckle]

Gone there twice, 3 years ago it was still half decent, and about 3 months ago it was a big mess, cleaned some crap up and left.

If it was clean place I would go there and enjoy nature. I dont go to your beloved mud flats either. I like places that are quiet and where there is not so many people.

Just because you never met me, and dont know who I am doesnt mean im "new" to fourwheeling.

BTW, You have a real attitude problem.

dean did do alot of work to clean up davis i will give him that. i for one witnessed garbage barrels and glass barrels being made for the lake. its too bad it had to come to this down there but hopefully it will stop the inconsiderate people from destroying such a nice area

[HEAVY METAL]

BTW, You have a real attitude problem.[/QUOTE]




yup! :beer_cheers: point is?




hey thanks Dave........

[buckle]

no prob dude you know we all apreciate what you did

[Conky]

So, is there any group that is willing to take on the maintanence of Davis Lake if the Porvincial Government wishes to open it up. If there is then let me know. The date for the meeting still has not been set to date as I have had other issue come up for the time being. I am hoping to have the meeting set by mid Dec or wait until the new year. Its a matter of finding all the peoples schedules. I will keep everyone up to date as we go. I am going to see if we can have the meeting as a community meeting for anyone who would be interested. The main thing is this will not be a time to attack the person from the Provincial Parks. He is very interested in opening Davis Lake, but as many of you know, the final say comes from up above. He is willing to try and find a way to help get it open so we will all be working together. Just something to remember.

[gavman]

I for one would be willing to go at least one day a month year round to help with maintenance and cleanup, so count me in.
Thanks for making the effort Conky....

[EHeye]

You can count me in. I don't see why the 4WDABC could not take it on. sdillen, could you pipe in on this? I dont know much about the association, and how many people would be willing to help out. But I would definately help out, and if that means being part of 4WDABC, no problems. :beer_cheers:

[Jarett]

You can count me in. I don't see why the 4WDABC could not take it on. sdillen, could you pipe in on this? I dont know much about the association, and how many people would be willing to help out. But I would definately help out, and if that means being part of 4WDABC, no problems. :beer_cheers:

i just sent this sugestion along to them.

[d0ubledown]

You can count me in. I don't see why the 4WDABC could not take it on. sdillen, could you pipe in on this? I dont know much about the association, and how many people would be willing to help out. But I would definately help out, and if that means being part of 4WDABC, no problems. :beer_cheers:

X2 on this idea. i'd be in for a monthly cleanup. stagger the days between sunrise/hale & davis. maybe have a mid week cleanup day for those that dont always get weekends off? theres ususally garbage after the weekend, and if weekend users see that its somewhat clean when they get there, they may just feel bad about leaving their crap behind...doubt it though...

[DMMcG]

But I would definately help out, and if that means being part of 4WDABC, no problems. :beer_cheers:


You've hit the nail on the head.

While it's refreshing to see someone referencing the Association positively, it seems that there aren't enough lower mainland people willing to formally join. Some of its members have a concern that it will spread itself too thin. There was a discussion about whether there'd be sufficient resources to accept the Hale Creek site, in addition to Sunrise, when Steve Dillen made the initial proposal.

The last thing that the Association wants to do is enter upon a venture and then have to pull out because of an inability to meet the contracted mandate.

The most recent Hale Creek maintenance day is representative of the nature of the support given to "our" Association. The stalwarts were there, as was representation from the government (including people, infrastructure and machinery).

There were very few 'new' faces to be seen....and for those few who were not members who did come out, THANK YOU for contributing. That's not meant as any kind of criticism of everybody who couldn't make it (we lead busy lives outside of 4x4ing). It is, however, an expression of the frustration of having supported and contributed to what I consider a great cause for the past 5 years, yet seeing little by way of membership growth. It amazes me to see so many people out on the trails, involved in this recreational pasttime, yet when I attend one of the AGM's and/or 4WDABC events, I see the same few people time after time. I can't always donate my time as readily as I would like, but I consider that I make up for it by donating $$'s.

I appreciate that there are lots of people out there who "aren't political", and don't want to be involved in meetings and such. The bottom line is that in order to keep at least some trails open, we're going to have to face up to the fact that we need somebody to 'be political' and deal with the bureacracy (ies) that controls Crown land. The greater the membership of the Association, the greater will be its voice in making concerns heard......keeping Sunrise and Hale open (and free) is an excellent example of what a few people can do. With a larger membership and more resources, the Association could better fulfill its mission statement.

I suspect that between work, family and the Sunrise/Hale contract, Steve's plate is already over-flowing.

If there are other people willing to step up to the plate (and bring with them even more people who can make a difference by donating time/$$), then have at 'er. I'm sure you'll be more than welcome.

....and next time we have to dig another hole for an outhouse, build picnic tables, pick garbage, plant grass, paint, post signage and etc, having one more potential set of hands would be great!

[pure custom]

sadly i believe it is too late for davis at the moment. I was in the area last friday night after the heavy rains doin some wheeling and the entrance now has a trench dug approx 15 feet deep the same wide and 100 feet or so long. straight down drop and whole bit. ironically enough already a few guys where there working on a by-pass

[EHeye]

Whatchu talkin about Willis??

Landcruiser and a Zuk??

:finger_1:

[Conky]

sadly i believe it is too late for davis at the moment. I was in the area last friday night after the heavy rains doin some wheeling and the entrance now has a trench dug approx 15 feet deep the same wide and 100 feet or so long. straight down drop and whole bit.

This is what I am working on right now, trying to get it open. The person who had it dug out is willing to try and make something work for the area. What we may need is people to help maintain it. I can not give it all my time or take charge of the clean up as I have many other projects I am working on. I had just completed the Quads.ca clean up which had taken some time. My role is to help deal with community concernes and try to set up programs. I am willing to give some time for the clean up but can't be the one organizing it. My area I police is from Shook Rd to Lake Errock, half of Sumas Mtn and as far north as I can go. I wish I had more time to help all the projects, but family comes first for me. I do at times bring the children with me if i can to help give more time. So as stated previously, If there is a group willing to take the Davis Lake on, let me know. In mid Dec and will be completing another project so I will be spending a little more time to the Davis Lake matter. Also, can't remember if I mentioned this before, if anyone has any issues in the Mission area, give me a call and I will see what I can do to help out.

[EHeye]

waived at yah Conky as we were flying back towards Mission (trooper, chev and a zuk), went around the power wire down on Sylvester, figured thats where you were headed. :beer_cheers:

[buckle]

waived at yah Conky as we were flying back towards Mission (trooper, chev and a zuk), went around the power wire down on Sylvester, figured thats where you were headed. :beer_cheers:

i was in the chev

and thats one hel of a hole you guys dug at davis... definatly no one going to be getting in there any time soon. :beer_cheers:

[Conky]

waived at yah Conky as we were flying back towards Mission (trooper, chev and a zuk), went around the power wire down on Sylvester, figured thats where you were headed. :beer_cheers:

I hope you waived with all five fingers :laugh :laugh :laugh

[EHeye]

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:finger_1:

[HEAVY METAL]

hey conky ..... that wasnt you shakin ur head at me on sunday was it?........

[EHeye]

hey conky ..... that wasnt you shakin ur head at me on sunday was it?........

Probably shakin thinkin your nuts with no doors or roof! :confused2





:eek:

[HEAVY METAL]

prolly... wouldnt be the first person lol

[michael]

I can't wait to try the new obstical at Davis.
I think it would be nice if they would build these playthings closer to home so I wouldn't have to drive so far to play in them.
the old one certainly looked like an evironmental disaster in regards to erosion and I bet the new one is just as well thought out.

[EHeye]

I can't wait to try the new obstical at Davis.
I think it would be nice if they would build these playthings closer to home so I wouldn't have to drive so far to play in them.
the old one certainly looked like an evironmental disaster in regards to erosion and I bet the new one is just as well thought out.

Obstacle?? You obviously have not been up to see the actual deactivation. Its a 14 foot trench, straight down man. You have to have a awfully long wheelbase to drop in.

[Conky]

hey conky ..... that wasnt you shakin ur head at me on sunday was it?........


Nope wasn't me that day. I may try and take a run up there tonight to see how the snow is. I have to get my truck and try out the tires in the snow.

[Conky]

Okay folks, I am going to try and set a date for the meeting with the various organizations in early January. I need to know how many people can make it during the week around 2:00pm. Most of the agency workers do not work after hours so we would need it done during buisness hours. I spoke to the Fraser Valley Regional District elected official for the Davis Lake area and he will also be attending the meeting. So far people are willing to listen and like the idea of a group taking care of the clean up.

Remember, we are all working together to try and get Davis Lake open for the public so this is not going to be a meeting where we attack certain organizations, if this starts I will end the meeting. Thanks and send the replys so I can set the date. Thanks.

Joey Starr

[HEAVY METAL]

i can make it....

[sdillen]

I just read through this thread....sorry I'm so late to the party.

Send me a note and I'll let you know my experience in establishing the 4WDABC as a stakeholder in Sunrise and Hale Creek recreation sites. If the meeting is on a Monday or Tuesday, I can most likely attend.

[EHeye]

Will be there. :beer_cheers:

[Conky]

Okay I have a date and time for the meeting regarding Davis Lake.

Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2007
Time: 2:00pm
Loc: Mission RCMP Detachment 7171 Oliver St Mission BC

Let me know if you will attend so i know how many people will be coming. thanks .

[EHeye]

Its at the actual Police Station? Beside the Mission Springs?? :beer_cheers:

Will be there.

[Roy]

I should be able to make it. I'll wear my SAR hat for that event. ;)

[gavman]

I will make it for the meeting, cheers

[HEAVY METAL]

i'll be there yo......

[EHeye]

Dean - We should get together before this thing and have an actual plan. if we walk in there and just talk out our arses, it probably wont fly. Maybe see if anyone else wants to get together. :beer_cheers:

[gavman]

Dean - We should get together before this thing and have an actual plan. if we walk in there and just talk out our arses, it probably wont fly. Maybe see if anyone else wants to get together. :beer_cheers:

That sounds like an excellent idea...Call me @604 968 9682
Perhaps a chat with Steve Dillen could push us in the right direction for ideas and the like???

[d0ubledown]

i think ill be able to make the meeting...ill head out there w/ ya gav.

[dawb]

I havent had my Jeep since June, but all i can say is this sucks... Loved this lake ever since i found out about it last year....

However, I noticed Davis turned into Stave during the summer; Fights, idiots driving in the lake AND/OR ripping through your campin area on quads or in trucks, cuttin down trees, and someone almost ran over my dog, and on purpose too i could swear:angry

Davis is awesome in the winter, and i thought it was near perfect with how many people can actually make it down (stock rigs, no cars), it keeps a lot of yahoos out, but not all of them.

If it goes pay, I wont go anymore. Camping shouldnt cost money.

Anyways, i'll be at the meeting if i dont have to work that day

[lars]

Okay I have a date and time for the meeting regarding Davis Lake.

Date: Tuesday, January 9, 2007
Time: 2:00pm
Loc: Mission RCMP Detachment 7171 Oliver St Mission BC

Let me know if you will attend so i know how many people will be coming. thanks .
Did you want me to post this on the calendar as well?

...lars

[Conky]

Did you want me to post this on the calendar as well?

...lars

Sure that would help out. Thanks

[crazyguy]

ive been to davis once. did it lone rangers old 2wd '87 ranger. that was probally a year before the gate was put in. problem with davis is its to close to civilization to close it.

[Conky]

I spoke to a local resident last night and he heard that there is a company who is willing to take on Davis Lake, Salsbury Lake, Twin Lakes and Kenyan Lake and making some of the spots pay camping with a 24 hour care taker. Has anyone heard of this before. Ministry of Forest and Provincial parks rep have not mentioned any of this. If anyone knows of this person or company, let me know. I am also going to do some digging into this. I'm not sure If developing Twin Lakes is a good idea, some more thought for everyone.

Also, I have noticed that garbage is starting to be dumped again in the Lost Crk area ( sylvester Rd ). If anyone notices suspicious people or events, let me know by calling me or send me a PM on here. If you wish to remain anonymous then i can do that. Get me plate number, vehicle description and description of occupants if you can. All the help I can get will help keep this area open and free for enjoyment. Thanks guys and gals.

[gavman]

i think ill be able to make the meeting...ill head out there w/ ya gav.

Sure no prob, will talk on Monday evening for arrangments....

[Conky]

Meeting is still on for tomorrow. See you folks there.

[EHeye]

See you there. :beer

[BumpNSpin]

excellent meeting!
4 residents
2 4x wheelers (including myself)
5 Officials... RCMP, BC Parks, Conservation Officers, and M.O.F. (i think)

great ideas, better understanding of peoples views and concerns... i came away feeling better/knowing more (going in not knowing what it was all about)

thanks 'Conky'

Phil

[EHeye]

Very good meeting, thank you for setting this up Conky. It was nice to hear the residents points of view, and quite refreshing for the off road enthusiasts. I don't know if you [Conky] would like to make a post about what the meeting was about and what some ideas were. It was nice to hear what the plans for the whole Lost Creek area are, and why things are different in that area (rare species ( :poke: ), Provincial Park, etc). Also about the whole pit plan is intresting, I would like to see more information on this.

:canadian

[buckle]

how about some meeting minutes


someone must have recorded some...

[EHeye]

maybe you should have, oh yah forgot, you weren't there.

My brain recorded the minutes...


































:poke:

I don't know how much of "my meeting minutes" this will be accurate.

:D

[Bushpiggy]

Can you even remember what you were talking about.....;)

[EHeye]

This is what I posted on FIBC.


"Hey all,

Update on Davis Lake and surounding area. I was at the meeting yesterday that was organized by Cpl Joey Starr (joey.starr@rcmp-grc.gc.ca).

Joey (Conky on bc4x4.com) is the first RCMP member that is dedicated to the areas between Sylvester Rd and Lake Errock, which would include Davis Lake and Lost Creek FSR. After doing a large cleanup about 6 weeks ago with quads.ca the decision was made to close down Davis Lake until a plan can be in place. The meeting was held at Mission RCMP headquarters @ 2:00pm on January 9/07. Attendees included 4 local residents (2 living at the entrance of the FSR and 2 from the cabins @ about 10k down at Stave), 2 4x4 enthusiasts (BumpAndSpin from bc4x4 and myself, Travis), RCMP, BC Parks official, Conservation Officer, SAR rep (Roy from bc4x4), and a Ministry of Forest official.

A lot of information about the general area and history of the area was discussed, such as a planned gravel pit from 7k to 10k on the opposite side of Davis Lake (Not much information was given about this), Salsbury Lake and Kenyon Lake will be pay camp sites from BC Parks, and a power station will be made at I believe Salsbury and the lake is to be raised 7 feet (covering the current road). Power lines for the plant will be small in air lines running to Stave Lake.

Ideas for Davis Lake were discussed like having a guard at the entrance to Lost Creek FSR (Like Stave Lake entrance), opening the site for only weekends, closing it off at night after a certain time, making it a pay site, and a few others. We all came to the general conclusion that the site needs to stay open for anyone at anytime but we would need a volunteer to go down and report anything to either the conservation officers or RCMP. I have volunteered myself to be that person, but has yet to be finalized. I have the contact information for the BC Parks official and will be talking with him soon. The volunteer would meet with the official once a month or every couple of months and voice his / her concern with the area and what changes need to be made. The main trail into Davis would be fixed and access would be yearly all times of the day. We decided this because people will always try and get in, its better to have this than have trees getting hacked down all over the place. Appropriate signs will be put up stating that it is being monitored and any suspicious or illegal activity will be dealt with, and now it will because we have a designated officer for the area. The BC Parks official will be looking into the possibility of having a outhouse down at the main section and possibly on the south beach area.

We also agreed that we need to start getting the word out to take down license plates of people dumping up there and shooting off near "Little Iraq" and along the FSR. Call Crimestoppers and make an anonymous tip. Unless more people report this activity, nothing is going to happen, the government thinks that the place is fine cause they don't get complaints. I think that the Parks official was quite shocked to hear what all is going on up there. On a side note the residents of the area had no complaints against us offroaders or hikers, they all voiced that after 8:00pm the place turns pretty nasty.

If anyone has any questions about anything in that area, please ask away, I will answer to the best of my knowledge, if not I should be able to get the answer that is needed. I will be updating everyone on this in a couple of weeks after I talk to the Parks official."










Please correct me if im wrong on any of that information Conky. And again, thanks alot for what you are doing for this area! :beer_cheers:

[Conky]

To start with, sorry for not posting anything regarding the meeting sooner. I have just arrived back from my surveillance course, yes I was camping in the snow storm and we were not able to build fires because of the style of course. Friggen cold out there.

Thank you EHeye for making the post on the information. The meeting was very good and happy almost everyone made it there. It was decided that we were going to try and have Davis Lake open 24/7 and not have a gate. The gate just invites people to try and get around it which is what we are trying to prevent. I have been down to Davis Lake and know the amount of trails which are down there. I would encourage people not to create any more trails in the Park and also encourage others not to make any new trails. We all have to make a change and keep the area as a place we want to camp. If we all take a part in this we can make a difference in the way it looks down there. There will be increased patrols by the RCMP, Conservation Officers, Canadian Wildlife Services, Ministry of Forest and not to forget EHeye in his new role once inacted. As stated previous, the residenets did not have anything negative to say about the 4X4 groups. I know that there has been a few problems with ATV's once they get down on the lake bed as they can gain entry to the cabins where some of the residents live year round. Please respect their property when down in the area.

I will post more when I have time. Thanks folks.

[90si]

Also, I have noticed that garbage is starting to be dumped again in the Lost Crk area ( sylvester Rd ). If anyone notices suspicious people or events, let me know by calling me or send me a PM on here. If you wish to remain anonymous then i can do that. Get me plate number, vehicle description and description of occupants if you can. All the help I can get will help keep this area open and free for enjoyment. Thanks guys and gals.


Yes , The wife/kids/I went for a drive up there just before Xmass and saw that!

anyone have a open rear deck? and wants to load that up? I'll come help ..heck I'd even donate some cash to pay for some of the dump... we were taking a nice drive to get a great view... and drove past garbage
:angry

[Bushpiggy]

Great job guy's.
It is a nice area.
I tend to go Salz. or Kenyon because of the crap that goes on at Davis.
Be nice to go to Davis again without it looking like the Mission landfill.
There was an abandoned trailer at the start of the forest road a year or two back.
Looked very bad, and as you continued along it didn't get much better.

Travis, you spend lot's of time up there....works out nice that you will oversee the communications with various agencies.
If there is further assistance needed post up...clean up runs, etc.

Thank You to Conky for involving the 4wheeling community in this process.
I must admit that it is refreshing to see various government agencies working with the 4wheeling community to keep trails open...and even open ones that are closed.

It's long overdue that we start cleaning up these parks/areas( of garbage and garbage people)...and taking them back for thier intended purpose.

:canadian

[90si]

Yes , The wife/kids/I went for a drive up there just before Xmass and saw that!

anyone have a open rear deck? and wants to load that up? I'll come help ..heck I'd even donate some cash to pay for some of the dump... we were taking a nice drive to get a great view... and drove past garbage
:angry


anyone want to take me up on this ?

[EHeye]

We will have some planned cleanups in the near future for sure. Will keep ya posted! :beer_cheers:

[Roy]

I'm in for a clean up. I can bring the long box Dodge. Might even be able to get a large trailer. Conky, think we can persuade the district to let us dispose everything at the dump for no charge? Of course, we'd have to do this when the snows are all gone!

[Conky]

Conky, think we can persuade the district to let us dispose everything at the dump for no charge? Of course, we'd have to do this when the snows are all gone!

I'm sure we can and if people want to make this a bigger event for a 4x4 group or even BC4X4.com, we can do what was started with Quads.ca. 6.6 tons of garbage taken out in the one day. A rep from Coquitlam Crawlers also attend for support. I was told by a rep for Ministry of Forest, that If there was another clean up, they will rent any machines that we need to do the job. I can even go after Parks for assistance also. I also have the contact for waste services to possibly obtain the large bins again. If anyone or a club wants to start this then i'm more then willing to help out. I will also have Carl Ahn from the Mission Record do a story on it. The following is an artical by a resident who lives in the area, this shows how much people appreciate the work which is done for their community.

Trail clean-up appreciated by user

Nov 23 2006

Editor, The Record:

This Lost Creek resident of Sylvester Road would like to say thank you very much to all those people involved in the trail clean-up on Nov. 5. I am on this road many times per week and one of the only things that detracts from this otherwise beautiful drive is the amount of garbage that has piled up in several locations and the random ditch litter that accumulates over the summer. Thank you in particular to Const. Joey Starr of the RCMP and Quads.ca for organizing the event and to all the members of the Lower Mainland ATV Club, Coquitlam Crawlers, Explorer's Club, Valley Trail Rider ATV Club, and the folks at Reliable Towing. Thanks for getting wet and dirty!

C. Dalton

Mission

So if people are interested in doing this then lets get at'er. By the sounds of it, Davis Lake may be opened in April. I still have another meeting to attend with Parks to sort out the rest of the details. Maybe the clean up can be done the same time the road gets open and we could use that area for cooking, sorta like a grand opening. Those are some of my ideas. So let me know and i'll do my part and help out.

PS: and NO i'm not doing this just to have my name in the news paper again :laugh

[90si]

I wait for the dates!

[anothrknight]

well i was up sylvester road this weekend (saturday, january 13th)

and was up there approximately a month earlier in early december when there was little to no snow in most areas..

we were dissapointed aswell as many others to see Davis Lake closed off..

and reading what Conky has done to set up some action, is impressive and thoughtful..

i hope to hear more from you about the fate of that trail/lake route..

as an avid 4wheeler, i prefer to respect nature, residents, land owners, and fellow wheelers/trail users..

and its a shame to see places shut down or defaced/littered, only to make those areas no longer usable by the people without ill intent..

if everyone rallies together in the way you've mentioned and aslong as the knowledge is spread and each others points of view are heard, then there no reason we shouldnt be able to work something out with parks and land owners of the area..

upping police/authority presence and patrol is probably a huge step in the right direction..

goodluck to conky and the rest in your battle.. and thank you for helping keeping the trails open..

[Conky]

Well, Just to let everyone know, I will be transferred out of the rural position which I was in and back to general duty policing as on Feb, 16th, 2007. I am hoping that the next person who will take my position will have the same interests in working with the people from this site and work at keeping the trails safe and open for all users. As for the Davis Lake and Salsbury Lake, I have put my end of the meetings on hold until the replacment has been named and hopefully that person will keep everything going. I may still see some of you out there as I may still be in the truck for a call or two. I will keep you updated when the new person is named.

[BumpNSpin]

that is sad news 'Conky'
like you say, hopefully the new person will have the same attitude towards this situation as you do...

i feel we had started a good relationship between all parties concerned... now what?...

thanks for the 'heads up'... hope to see you around still....

we missed you on Jan 20th... we came across some target shooters... shooting at a bottle on a stump... i looked at their backstop.... open air as they were shooting off a bank. what ever happened to 'know your target and beyond'...

i was sooo hoping you'd come along :)

Phil

[Crash--Oops]

anyone want to take me up on this ?

Yeah I'll help clean up too. even though I dont have a truck yet. extra set of hands cant hurt

[90si]

good :)