The Evil (ution) 2.0

[MudKick]

The Evilution is underway.
Stay tuned...

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3873&stc=1&d=1159410086

[belmont mild]

what is it

[raskal]

Originally posted by belmont mild
what is it so far just an ugly guy :laugh :laugh :laugh

[MudKick]

Originally posted by raskal
so far just an ugly guy :laugh :laugh :laugh

Ugly? Maybe!
Yup, at least I'm glad you think that and I don't have to worry about you hitting on me...:lame

:laugh

[MudKick]

Originally posted by belmont mild
what is it
You may remember this:


http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3861&stc=1&d=1159392877

It was probably as good as it could in that general configuration, but as good as it could wasn't good enough, and tweaking was not going to improve anything anymore. It has been tweaked out. A major rethinking was in order, hence the designation - 2.0.

The work has been underway since early Summer at Dave's (Shogunator) place. We are only able to work one day a week so the progress isn't too fast, but it is steady.
Maybe Dave will take some pics ( i don't have a pic taking thingy) soon, we will post some up.

Those who have been around long enough, know this truck, and I'm sure there will be a few peeps interrested in what will become of it.
It is, after all the eVil2.0 - a totally new reincarnation. New start...

[Dan Martz]

It looks like one of those cheezy covers of a rap album, Except a whole lot more greasy

[DaveW]

Sweet, get Dave to show us more pics.

Does the lack of engine mean you are going to be putting some real power in that thing instead of the dinky zuk motor?:D

[MudKick]

http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3872&stc=1&d=1159409950

No, we simply made it into rear engine config...:clown


But in all seriousness, the key to solving this mystery is in the name....;)

[EHeye]

its gonna be wicked Artur! I want to be there for maiden. :D

[jo-jo]

Originally posted by MudKick
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3872&stc=1&d=1159409950

No, we simply made it into rear engine config...:clown


But in all seriousness, the key to solving this mystery is in the name....;)

Hmmm.....me thinks there's a 2.0L engine being swapped in. Possibly from a Grand Viagra?

[MudKick]

Originally posted by EHeye
its gonna be wicked Artur! I want to be there for maiden. :D
You got it!

[MudKick]

Originally posted by jo-jo


Hmmm.....me thinks there's a 2.0L engine being swapped in. Possibly from a Grand Viagra?

Hmmmm...

[EHeye]

2 Litre, its like viagra. :eek:

[Shogunator]

Jesus,
What the hell kind of picture was that. When you said you started a thread I wasn't thinking this was what you meant. Don't you have any tech? This looks like chit-chat to me... :laugh

I guess the real pics will have to come later since you don't even know what a camera is! :p

[MudKick]

Shut up! I'm building suspence, or something...

A what ? Ca-me-ra? Is that the picture thingy?

[ynotrusty]

Looks like a sloppy job on that install. I hope you're going to chain it down at least.:laugh

[Shogunator]

Originally posted by ynotrusty
Looks like a sloppy job on that install. I hope you're going to chain it down at least.:laugh

Nah, fully captured and welded. :laugh

[MudKick]

The tech will come!

My Evil Genius partner in crime - Dave can chime in to disclose any technicalities he wants.

The new approach is, what already been stated:
2.0L twin cam

It will be a whopping 60% improvement in HP and 50% improvement in torque over the old motor.

The front end has been almost completely removed and new frame rails, fenders and front facia will be fabed. Pics to follow... They will be worth the weight.

The full width D44 up front will be fully covered by new fender work (t least when viewed from the back). It will be pushed forward 4 inches. This is the reason why the front facia had to be ditched. The tires will up travel where the headlights reside.

The steering will be handled through OTT Histeer arms, pushed by Toy 2WD box and a stock Suzuki pump drilled out for more flow.

General suspension configuration will remain the same, with some minor tweaks. (Don’t fcuk with a good thing principle).
Long (and I mean looooong) travel 3 linked/radiused coil setup.

Rear frame will be chopped (yet again) to accommodate a new 65L gas tank and redesigned panhard / shock/ coil geometry.


Gears and drive train: toy/Dana300) t cases will remain the same.

The wheel base will end up at 92-93 inches; (I was running 88-89, stock was 87) however the total length should remain "stock". This may change as at this point the shape of the front end has not been solidified....


Winch will be permanently mounted as this truck will no longer be a DD.

Oh, if Dave is so Tech savy, here is his homework::laugh
http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3874&stc=1&d=1159410542


Dave, call me...

[lars]

I think Artur was inspired by the Bodyworks exhibit. Artur 2.0 is going to be notable for his full body circumcision. The rumour I heard is that the skin will be sewn up into a tasteful carrying cases for a set of jumper cables, tug strap, clevis, etc. For durability, the skin will be cut and sewn at the wrists since the skinned knuckle parts will be kind of thin.


...lars

[ynotrusty]

I have a pair of high steer arms made by OTT installed but never used.
They are the flat style.
Intrested?

[fookeneh]

Full width under the rear too? Without the flares my tires would not be covered by the front fenders at all. I run the widest d44 out of a GM.

[Shogunator]

Lars,
That's gross... :p

ynotrusty,
He's one of those freak parts collectors (you should see his garage at the town house) so he's had his sitting on ice for a about a year.

Yes full width. the trackick was at 60" WMS-WMS in the front now at 67". The rear was at 58-3/4 or something like that and will get a little extra width via some spacers for now and then a FF conversion to come later.

I'll try to snap some pics later this evening.

[Shogunator]

I took a few pics tonight, but it's dark I'm tired and well whatever.

Here's the new link mounts on the passenger side. The new slim shape and correct material selection should save artur about a 100 lbs over what he had on there before. The driverside is similar 'cept the lower is a pin which is removed to aid flex. THe bracket has a slightly fatter shape on the d'side to allow for movement without popping out of the link tabbage.

THe top in this pic has the brace already, the rest are made but not tacked in because I'm going to weld the diff out of the truck. It's just easier on me back.

[Shogunator]

Frameside panhard mount, new frame rail (2x4x.120) and the stinky fish. Welding this up I realized why I hate working on trucks that are still together. Note to self get a welding jacket... :rolleyes:

Note the uber tech welded in bungs. 1" stock drilled and welded in. Should hold up. If I had known we were going to screw up (pardon me, I mean make correctly what was screwed up to begin with) I would have down sized the material a little. I'll let MK explain if he wants.

[Shogunator]

Another of the bungs on the panhard mount. Stupid autofocus, Jeez!
:laugh

[Shogunator]

Yep, she's fullsize. Knuckles rotated to 7.9*

Yes, it is that accurate, you can measure it yourself if you'd like. ;)

Note the engine mount hoop to tie everything together. It's a tight fit but with some creative positioning you might sqeak the oilpan off in the truck.

You can also see the slightly different shape to the d'side lower link mount. Like I said, its made that way to ensure it doesn't pop out. I've never had that problem, however, Artur assures me it's common and not just him. :laugh

[Shogunator]

The motor mounts. Fully captured in rubber. Note yet made, is the triangulating plate that will provide more verticle/horizontal stiffness then most could need. :welder

[Shogunator]

:(
Well it still exists...


What a waste. :( :baby

[MudKick]

Nice pics Dave. Very "you". Concentrating on small details but not giving away the "full flavor", if I may.


The concept of this build is captured in the name very well.

"Evilution 2.0"

The word "Evilution" is pronounced "evolution" which means we do not want to drastically change the basic balance and physics behind this very well performing rig, but we needed to evolve it substantially.

"Evil" is an inside joke we have going on while spending the time building it and it also captures, where we want to take it from a finished product look perspective. Gone are the days of trying to conceal this thing in traffic, with "factory sheet metal" look.


The substantial evolution meant it really is a different beast. IE: Version 2.0 - a new re-incarnation and if it wanted to be "evil" it needed balls to back the look up. Hence the new motor: 2.0 twin cam. It should buzz nicely with 5.89s in the diff. Do the math...


We are still working on a lot of details that do not necessarily look all that impressive and "picture" friendly, but are crucial in packaging everything so we get the tightest packaging and the most tire with the lowest ride height possible. Please keep in mind this truck will sit on 37s when done, but it's built with 39's in mind.
There will be some coolness to this evil design. We will keep that in that up our sleeve for now. Will post pics when some details are worked out.


The styling cues will tie to the Suzuki heritage, as well as the past of it self. However, only those with a keen eye, knowledge of what tis thing looked like before and imagination will be able to tell.

[EHeye]

Originally posted by MudKick
Nice pics Dave. Very "you". Concentrating on small details but not giving away the "full flavor", if I may.


The concept of this build is captured in the name very well.

"Evilution 2.0"

The word "Evilution" is pronounced "evolution" which means we do not want to drastically change the basic balance and physics behind this very well performing rig, but we needed to evolve it substantially.

"Evil" is an inside joke we have going on while spending the time building it and it also captures, where we want to take it from a finished product look perspective. Gone are the days of trying to conceal this thing in traffic, with "factory sheet metal" look.


The substantial evolution meant it really is a different beast. IE: Version 2.0 - a new re-incarnation and if it wanted to be "evil" it needed balls to back the look up. Hence the new motor: 2.0 twin cam. It should buzz nicely with 5.89s in the diff. Do the math...


We are still working on a lot of details that do not necessarily look all that impressive and "picture" friendly, but are crucial in packaging everything so we get the tightest packaging and the most tire with the lowest ride height possible. Please keep in mind this truck will sit on 37s when done, but it's built with 39's in mind.
There will be some coolness to this evil design. We will keep that in that up our sleeve for now. Will post pics when some details are worked out.


The styling cues will tie to the Suzuki heritage, as well as the past of it self. However, only those with a keen eye, knowledge of what tis thing looked like before and imagination will be able to tell.



blah, blah, blah. Is it done yet?

I re-thought everything, and realized how much power you may be producing. So I took matters into my own hands and fab'd a trail ready spoiler just so I can get the good down force and fly by you.




http://i56.photobucket.com/albums/g187/eheye/Turok/spoiler.jpg





ITS ON LIKE DONKEY KONG!!!

:redneck

[Shogunator]

Originally posted by EHeye

blah, blah, blah...:redneck

That's what I was thinking. Talk about overexplanation! Who are these guys? :clown

[EHeye]

I think he is making up excuses in all that mumbo jumbo, or he is trying to make up for something. :redneck

[Kraqa]

nice arthur.

i hope it works nicely for you

[jo-jo]

So um ya. when will this be done?

Sorry you'll miss ZOTR, but there is another event Oct.20-22 I might be able to get you into. Not a wreck your truck event this time though. :redneck

[MudKick]

I'm affraid that we are so "tangled" up in this "evil" "web" that we will not "get out" of it till December...

I'll let Dave elaborate on the whole "web" thing, as the "webwheeler" himself spent the whole day weavin this evil genius piece while I played the drill bitch to mount the steering box as well as "massaging' what is left of my front clip.

The front suspension was practically "finished" this weekend 'cept the shock tabs which were going to be placed there after the dry suspension cycling (no shocks /springs). We found that everything packages nicely, except for the panhard which is "sandwiched" between the oil pan and the pumpkin. Since we are trying to maintain as low a ride heigth as possible, the effective room between the two at full "stuff" is frigging tigth. We have some contact we will have to address next week. Then we should be able to work on the coil seats and shock tabs may actually be left for last, once the bump stops are located.

I go to Florida, the weekend after this, so unfortunatly the whole project goes on the hiatus for 3 weeks.:boring

[EHeye]

"thats" "cool" "artur". "I" "went" "wheeling" "this" "weekend". "You" "should" "try" "it" "sometime"



:redneck



Just "get it done" would ya!

[Greg82]

Keep the updates coming

:D

[Shogunator]

Originally posted by EHeye
"thats" "cool" "artur". "I" "went" "wheeling" "this" "weekend". "You" "should" "try" "it" "sometime"



:redneck



Just "get it done" would ya!

"I" "don't" "think" "he" "knows" "what" "he" "is" "talking" "about". "So" "that" "won't" "be" "possible". :laugh

[DaveW]

I'll race you to see who's finished their project first.

If you hurry we can get out on a wheeling trip before this years over.

[DaveW]

BTW, Dave you live waaay closer to me than Artur. I think you should come and help me work on my junk instead of driving all the way out to work on his!!!:D

[MudKick]

Originally posted by DaveW
BTW, Dave you live waaay closer to me than Artur. I think you should come and help me work on my junk instead of driving all the way out to work on his!!!:D

I guess as an established web wheeler, Dave is in such a demand that if you want his help Dave you have to come to him...


The sadness of this situation is in the fact that it's actually real. My project is hapenning at his place.:eek: so his royal webwheeling fabricating highness doesnt have to go far....




... well, that and the fact that the scope of this project would probably exceed my strata complex' already streatched patience:D



New Year run isn't out of the question, but I wouldnt hold my breath for anything sooner then that. Even that is kinda tigth now. We just added a whole level of complexity, due to some bling falling into my hands, so there goes a couple of extra weekends...:(

[ANDYrew]

I like the eviloution sounds fast and dirty, but just how far from completion is Dave's junk, I've been waiting for some action shots since I joined this board?

:D

[Greg82]

Since you joined in "Registered: Jan 2003"

You know that it's been 3 plus years already.

:D

[Shogunator]

Originally posted by MudKick


I guess as an established web wheeler, Dave is in such a demand that if you want his help Dave you have to come to him...


That's right b!tches! It took me a long time to earn this reputation. :laugh

I guess it's a good thing my neighbours are fairly undertanding.

Dave,
I thought your project was locating in abby?

Andrew,
Come on now. Me done? pffffffffttt! Get real. :laugh maybe in time for the olympics.;)

Greg,
Since July 2000 :soso ahhhh... emmmm... ohh... :(

[DaveW]

Nope, I got sick of driving out there to work on it, plus there was no cover from the rain. Its now in my nice garage at home. The only reason it was out there was because I don't have a welder at home. But now I just borrowed a buddies.

[shushuwa]

Updates ???

:)

[Rockdonkey]

EVILOUTION SUCKS>>>ALL THIS hype for nothing :( Cmon Man :clown

[DMMcG]

You may remember this:


http://www.r3vlimited.com/board/attachment.php?attachmentid=3861&stc=1&d=1159392877




....that's a damn fine photo. Must be the talent of the photographer.

:D

[Greg82]

....that's a damn fine photo. Must be the talent of the photographer.

:D

Yes I remeber that.

That was the day he blew the clutch or something.

Where is the real updates

[MudKick]

Yes DMMcG, very nice pic work.
veri naaaise.

We had a month's long stand by as overriding priorities came up (Christmas included, but not only).
We are back on Saturday the 6/th perhaps will take some pics of the finished front suspension and steering geometry.
We should be starting on plumbing the motor...

[DaveW]

One of you e-mail me your phone # or Dave's address and I'll try to stop by on Saturday.

[MEK]

Jeez, you donate parts, express ship so it can be put together in a hurry only to see it going as slow as your own project.... :)

[MudKick]

I already forgot why, but I did need that box that weekend or some geometry questions would not allow to go forward. It would have been even slower without it...:(

Update; The motor is now permanently mounted and is not comming out again!!!

The wireing has commenced, so there isn't a lot in a way of visual progress. We managed to destroy a couple $$$$ sensors in a proces of pulling and reinstalling the motor number of times in the mock up stage...:mad:

[Shogunator]

...We managed to destroy a couple $$$$ sensors in a proces of pulling and reinstalling the motor number of times in the mock up stage...:mad:

I was operating the hoist and you two had the job of "guiding it" Apparently you do this the same way you both (how convenient) drive! By brail and throttle! :poke: :clown

BTW, you need a 14mm wrench to get the line on the slave end.

and, the bolt is a M8x.125 25mm in length and in the socket head cap screw variety...

I'm so nice. :cwm30:

[EHeye]

..and throttle! :poke: :clown



I actually dont remember how he drives.























:whiteflag:
:cwm31:

[87yoda4x4]

where are the new pics cant wait to see what this monster is turning into

[MudKick]

OK.
So I had to rescue this poor thing from the bowls of Dave's dungeon where projects seem to mysteriously get swallowed into oblivion and never see the daylight...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/trip/DSC00014.jpg


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/trip/DSC00012.jpg

brought her home LAST SUMMER(!!!), but she contracted some form of disease all Dave's project suffer from and the project was on further hold till early this year.

The sun came out, few trucks appeared on the road, got my juices flowing and I got back into it...

I'll update some pics soon...


:boring

[MudKick]

On the first pic there you can see that the ride height was adjusted a bit. The front is all new and pretty much set as far as the suspension is concerned. The only thing missing is the top shock mounting points. Those will be addressed at the end of the process - during the flex tests so the travel length and binding points can be considered.

The discrepancy between the front (new) and rear (old) ride height is a combination of a small addition of lift to it for future tire plans, some lack of weight there due to stuff still missing over the front end (pretty obvious) and mainly the fact that the old rear coils were pretty bagged. I think they sagged about 1.5 inches from their original height.

[MudKick]

The second , besides showing the total width, (got fenders???) gives away a bit of the front suspension/steering geometry. It's looking pretty sweet. I am very pleased with the lengths (very long and even) and the relation (angle) of pan hard and drag link (very flat). For the record : pan hard bar is there, it just cannot be seen as it's right behind the draglink.

Stay tuned...

[MudKick]

OK. Time for a quick re-cap of what happened before I brought it home from Daves':

The trip to the Vancouver Island Comp organized by Island 4x4 that turned out to be the Swan song for the Revolution v-1.99.



This hole swallowed more then just one truck:

http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/islandtrooper/Redballs%202006/Redballs200653.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/islandtrooper/Redballs%202006/Redballs200659.jpg
http://img.photobucket.com/albums/v521/islandtrooper/Redballs%202006/Redballs200628.jpg


Here is me trying to get out of this pothole:
http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/9577/picture2401od.jpg


And a few obsticles later I decided to brake my frame off with the help of the winch and a carefull 90degree vert truck positioning....:whiteflag:

http://img306.imageshack.us/img306/903/picture2478kc.jpg

Look at my face::cwm36: This is a face of a guy that knows the comp is over and there is a shifty drive home from the Island (Jo-Jo - thanx again for saving my ARGHHHS) and A LOT of work ahead.


There was a few other minor carnage details:

http://www.island4x4.com/temppic/redballz2/artur_shafts.jpg


and .... there was a lot more where that came from, ha, ha ha!!!


Game over Revolution!

Time to Evilve...

[MudKick]

Here it comes:http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07586.jpg

Let the games begin, or at least I hope to be done before the say that...



So the front end had to be completely removed, new frame built, but while at it: one might as well throw in a new motor or something....



...remember this:?

Old motor out.
Ready to cut the rest of the sheet metal and the stock frame...
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/DSCN0618.jpg


Note that the "old" frame was lacking a cross member under the motor. (I'm doubling as a "member" there). This is where the IFS "sub frame - cross member" was 8 years ago. With the IFS also out went that cross member during the initial Revolution.
I did not notice an immediate problem with it but I felt a lot better bracing the "new" - evolved - frame there' See below:

While working at Dave's place he was the "resident welder" .

Doing the honors here:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010072.jpg





Most front sheet metal gone. Note that at his point i still had an intention of keeping the inner fenders. I figured it would save me remanufacturing them later, near the end. This thought was later abandoned as the up travel was expected to not allow them.

Also: New frame rails and motor cross member in:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/P1010074.jpg


Note the front cross member is a winch plate. The point here is to save as much weight as possible by double servicing components and removing redundancies but at the same time adding beef and strength... The trick is to try and offset the extra poundage the new motor will introduce to the front end. I was very happy with the front/rear weight distribution of the old beast so I try to take all the measures possible to not disturb that balance too much. The motor choice being a high revving four banger in itself is a part of that dietary plan...

Heavier (than the 1.6 stock) motor with some extra beef here and there - but - the said reduced redundancies, lighter bumper, tighter fitting winch and longer front axle wheel base are all part of trying to dial this sweet 51/49 weight balance. We'll see....

A keen eye will also notice that the engine cross member plate serves as a fish plate for where the frame is joined.

Also visible are the bottom rad support brackets steering box holes fully sleeved and a panhard bracket going in.

[MudKick]

Motor mounts:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/P1010077.jpg


Motor going in for one of the "fitting" sessions.

We had Dave stop by for a friendly chat. Here he is sporting his fave: bright orange jumpsuit

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/P1010071.jpg



and making smartass comments about us braking sensors while other Dave is jacking off at the sigth of a man in a bright suit:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/P1010070.jpg

After I broke about 500 bux worth of sensors I removed the rest of the sheet metal. Its work was done....:rolleyes:


Mounts in, motor sitting there on it's own:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/2006-08-04005.jpg



Some taste of the packaging for hood - winch- rad clearances.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010035.jpg

[MudKick]

So now that we know where the Evilution gets it's 2.0 from (well, that and that it is it's second incarnation) let's get back to the frame and front end bits:


Front axle is a full width Chev in this edition. It should allow for better turning radius by keeping the wheels away from the frame at full lock. The extra width also allows for more relaxed usage of space while building things such as panhard brackets:





http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/2006-08-04001.jpg



Here is a shot before the panhard bracket - rigging it up to check panhard clearances and exact placement to line up with the knuckles - draglink hole:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/2006-08-04004.jpg
And after 7 months of filing:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010075.jpg


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/DSC07350.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/DSC07351.jpg



and shock tabs and so on...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/DSC07352.jpg


Note; this is a budget project.

Nearly EVERYTHING on it is recycled from the Revolution 1.99 or scrap metal, or up until this moment in the pics: odd ends of metal in Dave's garage.

No bling stamped tabs and brackets could be afforded. This is all a result of old fashion torch and/or grind or drill - elbow grease work. It takes time...



BTW: Here is a bong on a frame mount of the panhard. JJ is going in there. That's about ALL the bling that is going into the suspension that's not recycled...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/2006-08-04003.jpg

[MudKick]

With the wheelbase of the front axle pushed out 4 inches forward and the rest of the geometry heavly revised some adjustments here were needed:


Old coil mount...



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010041.jpg

This had the coil located on the "back" side of the whole tower


...Gone!


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010044.jpg




The new configuration moved the coil forward 2 to 3 inches - I don't remember now what I decided then, but the desired effect was for it to impact the front-rear weight distribution adventagously as the coil moves outwords to contain more weight between the F-R axles.


some crazy glue:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010037.jpg



...and done:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/DSC07353.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/front%20end/P1010046.jpg

[MudKick]

So here is pretty much the "finished" product as far as last year was concerned.


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/motor/P1010111.jpg
The motor is in, the beginning of the rad mount and the rad are there .


At this point we threw everything on it in a makeshift - finger tight fashion so we could roll it around, packed all lose parts in the back and took it back to my place on the flat deck as seen earlier, for further tweaking...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/trip/DSC00013.jpg

The motor is in, the beginning of the rad mount and the rad are there .

The geometry of the front end suspension as well as steering is set and fabbed.


What remains is to finish welding up some of the frame and motor mount tubing. Also undone as far as the front is concerned is the upper shock mounts as we need flex tests to establish the exact locations for those.

Evidently a lot of tube, sheet metal and lighting is needed as well as a minor detail of actually plugging and pluming the engine harness/fuel/emission stuff so this can actually run... Yahh, that would help.

Bunch of other loose ends like power steering plumbing, exhaust, battery location and stuff aren’t even on the horizon. Geez. A lot of work left!

The plan is to take it home and try and fit the gas tank off of the two liter in the back so we can try and plug it in to even begin thinking of wiring/plumbing this thing....

Ughrhhh...


Stay tuned for the spring 2008 update as the project experienced fall/winter hibernation until my garage unfroze in late February.

[Kraqa]

are you dtichign the radius arms?

[MudKick]

are you dtichign the radius arms?

No I'm sticking with them. The worked well in the past, at least for me, so in the spirit of recycling and evolving a lot of aspects of the old configuration remain, however mutated somewhat in a lot of cases.

[MudKick]

I left the front the way it was as I needed to get the motor running. Which it wasn't and Dave is supposed to sort it out. Harness work on this thing is pretty complex. Dave's busy. So that's no go, but in the mean time I figured I'll mount the new gas tank in the back. We need it to run it anyways...



...well that's what i was gonna do until I "discovered" that my body lift eroded...



All that was holding the body to the frame was gravity and friction...



Both driver and passanger body mount studs were broken off:



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/D-SFfloorboard.jpg





The back seat mounts were in the same shape:




http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/P-SBottomsideofMidBodyMount.jpg




Here is what time does to a BL over time, especially when the bottom gusset is compromised:



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/P-SfrontBodyLiftMount.jpg




This pic shows the body mount sagging, but appearing attatched before I lifted the body a bit to try and work on the frame to fit in the said tank. That's when I discovered the above depicted holes...



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/P-SMidBodyLiftMount-before.jpg


The rear mounts have no photos but they were also held there by the will of the holly Ghost or "the force"... whichever...



OK, here comes more work...



Another detour....





FCUK!!!!

[MudKick]

So,here comes the loooong detour::violin


The stock Sidekick has 4 pairs of body mounts. 1 under headligths, 2 under the front floorboard, 3 under the rear floorboard and 4 at the very back of the frame.

Nuber one was easy: the front clip is gone....

Here is number two, which is now my first body mount: Front floorboard.

First I had to fix the floorboard itself. I didn't take any pics of that but here you can make out a 1/8th inch plate about 7 inch loong welded to the factory floor support rib, which is about 1/16th. I made theis plate loong enough to distribute the weld as it was a real bitch to do it upside down under there...


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/DSC07289.jpg



Then I leveled the body as it was sitting all over the place on the old "mounts" .

I wanted the body sitting higher then stock because of the drivetrain clearances I had to contend with from the past version. I still had to have a "body lift"- so to speak but I wanted no BL issues. So I made frame side mouns sitting 2.5 inches higher than stock:


A closer look:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/DSC07290.jpg



So after some trimming here is the before and after look:


From this:
:whiteflag:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/DSC07287.jpg


to this:

:)

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/DSC07355.jpg


This should hold it! 1/8th plate all around the actual mount. A combination of formed plate with triangulation support. 3/16th - frame backing plate.

[MudKick]

After I finished fixing the front cab body mounts I moved over to the rear of the vehicle.
As I stated above I by now knew the body mounts were all garbage. But before I started fixing those I had to assess the rear frame situation.

The first thought was the gas tank. I already replaced the stock 40L unit (which gave me no range to speak of) with a 58L unit from a newer 4 door.

That thing was a bitch to squeeze in as I remembered so I had reservation if the new, new - even bigger - 65 liter tank will even come close to fitting in the crammed rear frame .

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07517.jpg

At first glance it didn't seem like there is chance in hell... The new unit (at the bottom) outside of being a couple of inches taller was wider in one corner (bottom left of the picture)

:eek:

... more unwanted detours...

Geez. This one is a detour on top of the body mounts detours...:cwm36:

[MudKick]

After some quick preliminary fitments an equally quick decision was made:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/01Frame.jpg

I did not cry over the old frame. It's been molested, patched, modified rusted over the years:

:laugh

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/00Frame.jpg

The plasma had difficulties cutting through a factory frame :confused: WTF???

I was confused. You can see I tried to cut lower, near the top of the main rail, but was forced to try higher.
When I finally pulled the rear of the frame off I found my problem: 3 inches of sand, mud and rust mixture sitting inside on top of main frame rails... That would stop a plasma in its tracks... :shakehead:

Ya, it was it's time. It had some material here and there I intended to later recycle, though, so I'll keep it for now.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/03Frame.jpg


R.I.P. old frame...

[MudKick]

Soo...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/04Frame.jpg
The frame is gone...

but before the frame work can begin some more detouring is needed...

[fish4life]

nice build thread dude, i like it :) can't believe you managed to snap that frame though :redneck

[MudKick]

Actually, I cut it off...


After removing the rear frame it was easier to access the rear-cab body mount which looked like that after some "cleaning: :cwm31:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/P1010369.jpg

Made a floor plate:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/P1010370.jpg


A quick try-fit before drilling it and welding in the "puck mount" permanent....

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/P1010371.jpg

I also made sure to trim it so its shape matches the "thicker" floor board corner ribbing metal I can actually maximize the weld size and area...

... and here....

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/DSC07368.jpg

[MudKick]

...and I finally get to the rear...
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/CopyofPicture007.jpg

These were in the "best" shape of all of my mounts... The stud actually had some metal left to hang on, as opposed to just falling like the rest of them did...

Yewww , I actually ... like...had to grab it and wiggle ... Uhhh, I ...like... had to actually use my hand to force it down.... No really... It just ... like... hang there or something, but I finally jerked it off...

[MudKick]

OK, seriously…
Since the back had SOME metal to speak of left I decided to make a simple stud replacements there.

I decided to use a concrete anchor because it has a reverse tapered head and also a 1/2 inch shaft which I was using for the rest of the mounts studs.
The reason was that it's just like a bolt head when in place and clamped down the weld isn't the only thing holding the stud to the plate - the expended taper actually carries the load, while the weld simply holds it in place. Speaking of welds, the anchor's compact head alowed a nice and tight radius weld around...


Here you can see a plate with a 1/2 inch hole and the said anchor through it.
I used a big washer simple as a guide to cut an even circle...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/CopyofPicture005.jpg


And ready to weld. Note the tacked head of the "bolt" with an undercut to provide room for a weld beed:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/CopyofPicture006.jpg



I used some metal sleevs and a nut at the end to torque the plate so it stayed a perfect 90 degree during welding...


It worked well:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/CopyofPicture008.jpg



Done:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/CopyofPicture013.jpg

http://s260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/?action=view&current=CopyofPicture012.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Body%20mounts/CopyofPicture011.jpg

[MudKick]

OK. even though I wanted to avoid cuting the frame off, at this point, after a couple of months delay chasing body and bodymounts problems the frame work begins. At this stage even if it's a backwards step it feels a little more like I'm starting to move forward again...


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Rearframetop.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/Rearframeside.jpg

These pics show the tolerances of the fish plate. The plate is 1/8th thick (for a visual reference). The gaps between the plate and frame rails are virtually non existent. Keep in mind the compound angles of the flared frame rail joint . It takes some time to achieve a perfect fit but it's worth it in the end to get a nice - consistent weld there...

[Owlman]

glad to see you back at it!

:beer

[MudKick]

Been busy working my head is spinning...:help

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/suspension/DSC07604.jpg


But it's too early to make noise in the 'hood so I'll try to catch up the thread a bit...

[MudKick]

Frame goes in:


To accommodate the bigger gas tank I had to widen the rear section of the frame.

Here are a few angles of the "flare" in the rear "riser" that made for a serious brain teaser to get the right raise at proper angle to have it end up at exactly two inches wider on each end.
Every plain was affected and even minimal trimming made for a significant change in angle. Two much trimming would make the piece too short real quick.


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/CopyofDSC07356.jpg



Plates:



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07339.jpg

Dave (Shogunator) helped me with these angle calculations and we got it right at the first try.


Here you can sort of tell the whole "flare" idea. Looks simple when done but the process of calculating each cut angle is still giving me a headache....


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07341.jpg


Also, you'll see here the rear body mount contained inside of the frame rail.

The main reason why the amount of raise in this part of the frame was so critical.

The body mount is pretty much deleted as the rubber puck is simply sitting on top of the rail. Remember: the frame is wider 2 inches on each end from what it used to be....

[MudKick]

With the frame finished I made something to attach to the new rails.

Unfortunately IT is the part of that above mentioned unforeseen extra work I did not plan but had to do.

This is still just a tip of an iceberg of the extra go around what I had to add to the scope of the whole project but at least it's done now:

From this:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/MidBodyMount0.jpg

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/MidBodymount01.jpg


To this:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/NewMidBodyMount14.jpg


This is the body mount located between the front seats and the rear bench.

I am not sure if you can see this in the top pic but the stock Body mount was bent/sagged about 10 degrees or so. You can also see the crack around the rim of the rubber seat starting to form and some tale tell signs of scoring/wear of the 2x2 square tubing B/L.


The middle pic shows how factory intended it. You can see the final version returns to the factory idea...

Now that the actual body mounts exist on the body -remember the imaginary mounts I discovered? - earlier pics of my actual body shell with air and rust flakes serving as points of attachment...

[MudKick]

Here is some process pics:


Start:

The bushing plate:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/MidBodymount1.jpg

a fixed body ready to accept a new mount:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07369.jpg

A bushing plate attached to the rubber bushings:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07356.jpg

More progress:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07357.jpg

Some origami:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07362.jpg


All pieces ready for a burn by Mr Miller.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07365.jpg

Mid point:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/NewMidBodyMount12.jpg

Finish:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/NewMidBodyMount15.jpg

...and pronto!

[MudKick]

Here is an image that sort of shows the amount of angles involved in widening the rear frame. There is no camera lens illusions. If anything some level of complexity did not even show. There are 3 joints and each one lacks a single 90degree cut...

Also a welded in a mid body mount:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07343.jpg



You can also observe the Body mount fully welded in...


...and a close up:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07344.jpg


In the background of that photo you can see the "front" body mount as well.

A keen eye will also notice that the new mounts displaced the body lift and are now a sort of regular- non-body lift mounts that are an "equivalent" to a 2.5 inch of lift.


One more:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/DSC07345.jpg


This one shows the consistency of angles between different components. Another tribute to Dave's "form can coexist with function" approach.

[MudKick]

...K

So I'm sort of back in the forward motion again...

I decided to simplify mattes in a lot of aspects of this project to offset weight gains from motor, extra axle width and added beef here and there. Another example of weight trimming is the rear cross-member / bumper.



I deleted the old "fancy" looking bumper that had some unneeded heft to it and replaces it with the rear cross-member double serving as a bumper.
Here you can see the old bumper and the old frame which has the rear cross-member cut of in that pic, but all that is replaced by this:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/03Frame.jpg







Gas tank tabs being made:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07404.jpg


And some tank test fitting:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07433.jpg


Hmmm, that's a tight ass.

What I mean is that there are some very close tolerances there to achieve a minimum rear overhang. I have 1/4 to 1/2 inch clearances assumed for everything on the back, all of which are going to be critical when assembling the suspension. If I screw up now I'll have interference missus with pan hard/coils, bracketry later.

NO GOOD!!!


Must measure 20 times - cut weld once.

Ya, this will take time....

[MudKick]

With the outline of the "bumper" and tank mounts tacked in it's time to put in the skid plate:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07403.jpg


With the new overhang parameters and the dept of the new tank I really did not like what I saw. The tank/factory skid made it for quite a "low hanging" fruit for the rocks. Also that 4 inches gap between the bumper and the factory plate was pretty ghey. Low hanging fruit for the branches... NO GOOD!
One does not typically enjoy puncture wounds in the gas tank so some reinforcement was needed, time to undust the big guns:

Some fun, finally!!!!


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07546.jpg

Compliments of Mr. Eternal Project Hiatus.

Thanx Dave!!!!

[MudKick]

Totally new approach was needed. Clean slate.

Here is a pictorial:

Checking symmetry:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07436.jpg

Checking for overhang clearances:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07437.jpg

Tabs:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07438.jpg

Internal clearance:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07440.jpg


This particular clearance is critical.
As I mentioned earlier I have a 1/4 inch or so tolerance between each component:

Bumper end - skid - tank - skid - pan hard bracket - coil spring/mount - shock cross member - the end of horizontal frame.

Measuring this distance here between the existing components and the "still imaginary ones" cannot be stressed enough:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07439.jpg

[MudKick]

When I was happy with the inner tolerances:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07442.jpg

Time to work on the cross members, tank in:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07443.jpg

Side check:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07444.jpg

Level:
Check.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07445.jpg
Check.
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07446.jpg


It all checks. Sweet!!!

[MudKick]

So here is a final framework:
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07447.jpg


My final "stand on it with my feet check" was also successful as all 4 legs were still nice and even. No wiggly table symptom here.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07448.jpg

Time for the skin:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07449.jpg


Some old fashion metalworking techniques were employed here: Two dudes standing on it and a piece of bar while prying and pulling at the same time with all of their might.



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07450.jpg

I tell ya, nearly 1/8th plate isn't easy to bend (evenly).

The idea here is to trim the visable edge (below the bumper and start welding. When I get to the second crossmember I will install it and check for the inner clearaces again and mark where I'll trim off the rest of the plate. This strategy will bite me in the ass.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07452.jpg

Time to weld:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07453.jpg

[MudKick]

I didn't want to have the bumper welded in before building the skid plate so I could remove it and finish welding all the tabs on the bench. So now that the skid plate is almost done and all the tabs are in place its time for the last 2 pieces of buisness:
The hitch:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07464.jpg

Welded it in. You can see why I couldn't finish the skid plate before I did that:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07465.jpg

This needs to be considered:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07471.jpg

Done:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07470.jpg

And finally : the tire carrier mount - the square blue plate:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07467.jpg


All tolerances are great again. The bumper with all the tabs, brackets and gussets slid perfectly sqarely on and off the frame


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07466.jpg


Done:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07468.jpg

[funkinfunked]

Thats looking sick yo!

Keep up the good work, I love the attention to detail, and not just drilling for speed holes. Keeps the pics coming.

[MudKick]

Thanx for the props!
I agree, a lot of dudes are out there thinking round frame and holes everywhere are an instant ticket to coolness. That may be so in the pop(ular) culture but I like to build sh!t my own way...
I've never been known to follow trends...



Here come more pictorials...


After the bumper was fully welded in and that hitch part clearly defined it was time to resume the tank skid plate work.
I decided to clamp and weld the inner part of the plate on the truck, so when the proper amount of curve in the plate was reached, I was going to take the plate off and simply trim off the excess plate...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07454.jpg


Sounds like a good plan huh?

Well it was, if I kept my measure 20 times cut once strategy.


With everything going smoothly the cockiness got me....

It just so happened that the last trim was going to be just past the plate cross member. Easy!!!

I take the plate off, all 8 bolts one at the time, hold this sucker up, struggle a bit, finally get it down, flip it around.... eye ball the cross member, start cutting....

nearly 1/2 way thee I realize .... SH!T!!! wrong end!!!!


FFFFFFFFFFFFFFFUUUUUUUUUUUUUCCCCCCCCCCCCCCKKKKKKKK KKKKKKKK!!!!!!!!


10 minutes later of rearranging my garage with my foot, 15 minutes of walking around outside calming down and another 5 minuts of scratching my dumb head, I figured remaking of the whole piece considering I already welded the plate to the frame and that meant simply cutting it off and grinding off welds was way too much work I decided to clamp the crap out of the cut and try and slowly weld it.

This would be tough without warping it but worth a try!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07462.jpg

Well,it's close, but no cigar.

You can see on this picture the amount of cut and weld...



This angle shows the warp. This sucks!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07463.jpg

I think I called it a night at that point!

[MudKick]

Next day: less anger, fresh (not welding gas fumigated mind) means clearer thinking.

Assessing the bulge I realized it was just that: a bulge. Metal expended and bulged out in a central point....


...hmmm....
According to this theory a vertical cut would remove the excess and the stress associated with it, doing away with the bulge.

Worth a try!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07472.jpg

I knew I was on the right track when after removing a wedge shaped piece I saw a straight line!!! Sweet! This should work!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07473.jpg

After tacking it it looked straight so weld it i did...


... with plenty of clamp, again...



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07474.jpg


and...

some added touch (speedholes are so overrated!)

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07484.jpg

Bolt:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07480.jpg

Voila!!!!

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07482.jpg


Cleaned up the wording a bit:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/skid/DSC07586.jpg


Another tick on another page of the things to do checked... Many more to come, I still can't see the light at the end of the tunnel...

[ANDYrew]

Good work, thanks for posting, been following this one, making me want to work on the tracker again!:D

[MudKick]

K...

The tank skid took care of the bottom of the tank, but this upper gap is fugly...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07464.jpg


SOme light removable plate is needed. Wrapping the tank:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07490.jpg


Sides being made:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07487.jpg


Tire carrier needs to be finalized before proceeding here:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/DSC07489.jpg

[MudKick]

The bearing from a forklift caster wheel. Capable of about 7500 pounds... It's used, but it still provides a silky smooth pivot, fully greasable.

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07536.jpg


Some preliminary fitting: Turning radius clearance check:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07535.jpg



Where do I trim it????



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07537.jpg



Decided: Reinforcing:



http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07538.jpg

[MudKick]

After having it trimmed, made a pretty thick latch tab and installed a heavy duty spring loaded latch and started bending...


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07543.jpg

Oh, yeah.... and the "anti slam" device...

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07544.jpg


Starting to take shape:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07545.jpg


Added another piece:

http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07548.jpg
http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07549.jpg


Checking sidewall clearance:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07550.jpg


It checks, mounting plate:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07552.jpg

You'll also notice an adjustable poly glider installed under the latch end...
... and:


http://i260.photobucket.com/albums/ii39/MudKick/Evilution/frame/Tire%20carrier/DSC07553.jpg


Done.


The tire looks huge but it's only a 37. It's my fish eye phone camera lense again....

[funkinfunked]

Looks good, I just did a bunch of chite to my junk.

You worked inside the BC Hothouse building about 3 years ago right?

[MudKick]

Yup. I did...

Did we talk?

[mr.vic]

looking very cool Artur. the tire carrier is very slick design.

[MudKick]

Thanx man!!!

Also, since this was brougth up on another board, for those who pay attention - the carrier the way it is - as slick as it looks now - will also need another brace.

The third support point will come down from the top of the cage and secure it at it's highiest point preventing any vibration or bending forces.

It will serve as a nice wheelie stand...

[HMFI]

I had to weld on a carrier on top of a mountain because the guy didn't have anything to keep it from moving. With a 40" bogger on there, it didn't take long to break the bottom mounts on it's maiden voyage.

[funkinfunked]

Yup. I did...

Did we talk?

Just briefly one day, actually the day I quit. I worked for BC Hothouse as a Millwright. I had a red 4-runner at the time, I now have this.

Keep up the good work. Get your chite done and maybe you can wheel it yo! lol.

[Sweet Diva]

So... really, what's your status? There's this thing going on pretty soon... in a forest just across the water...

[MudKick]

So... really, what's your status? There's this thing going on pretty soon... in a forest just across the water...


Oh I miss you guys and I miss the trail...


I had some major setbacks as off mid July (family, friends vositing from out of country, other stuff, the Daily Driver blowing a W/P, than a head gasket, you name it...)

So, yah, not even close to be done... Cara, you guys will be the first ones to know when I'm close.

Hey, BTW, can you ask Joe if he still needs the scout 44 he wanted. Believe it or not I still have it ...

[Kinslayer]

Oh I miss you guys and I miss the trail...


I had some major setbacks as off mid July (family, friends vositing from out of country, other stuff, the Daily Driver blowing a W/P, than a head gasket, you name it...)

So, yah, not even close to be done... Cara, you guys will be the first ones to know when I'm close.

Hey, BTW, can you ask Joe if he still needs the scout 44 he wanted. Believe it or not I still have it ...

Scout 44 you say?

[Shogunator]

Scout 44 you say?

Depends what youare ooking for. AFAIremember, he has a pretty much complete stock set-up, though he did sell one a while ago and this one may have ford or your choice of outers on it. I know he has a variety of gear ratios/carriers too. He is a bit of a d44 *h0re...

If you are just looking for a scout/waggy width, I have a narrowed chev with chev outers, high steer knuckles, OTT arms and custom inner shafts (chev'sshortend by OTT so no kneck down). It also has full circle clips and brand new 760's in it. Just give me a call 604-839-4383 (Dave) <-- to mod's and others, MK is my best bud and would not care so find someone else to pick on.

BTW, MK where are the updates? You are way beyond this now... :cwm18::popcorn:boring

[MudKick]

Depends what youare ooking for. AFAIremember, he has a pretty much complete stock set-up, though he did sell one a while ago and this one may have ford or your choice of outers on it. I know he has a variety of gear ratios/carriers too. He is a bit of a d44 *h0re...


Yup, I'm a wh0re!
But perhaps with this project going the way it's going I migth as well start parting with my Scout D44 collection...

Ill let the complete set up go if you want it.

<-- to mod's and others, MK is my best bud and would not care so find someone else to pick on.

Don't belive him! I am offended here.... ...crashing into my thread, stealing a potential sale!!!
BAN HIM!!! He needs more time away from the computer so he can spend more time helping me with this project!!!


BTW, MK where are the updates? You are way beyond this now... :cwm18::popcorn:boring


See?!

[Shogunator]

Don't belive him! I am offended here.... ...crashing into my thread, stealing a potential sale!!!
BAN HIM!!! He needs more time away from the computer so he can spend more time helping me with this project!!!


I'm afraid you need more help than that. Get some more pics up!:poke::D